Chalkhills Digest Volume 1, Issue 226
Date: Monday, 15 June 1992
Chalkhills, Number 226
Monday, 15 June 1992
Today's Topics:
Two short questions
PP CD singles / CD boots
Re: Bad radio in DC
Book
Re: Primus
peter/billy/mail/nonsuch
select
Re: Andy Partridge in San Francisco
MTV Unplugged
Andy Partridge in person
meeting Andy Partridge
Columbus interview
Chart Action
Japanese CD pricing
Questions, both fact and opinion :-)
The Bungalow Effect
andy live in SF
[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1992 13:47:45 HST From: Galen Tatsuo Komatsu <gkomatsu@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu> Subject: Two short questions 1. What are the words being whispered in the background of "Across This Antheap" (O&L) I see "Ziggedy Zig Zag Just Look at 'em" in the lyrics, but it doesn't seem to fit. 2. What is the deal with Suzuki Saeko? I've never heard her, just seen her in a few magazines. I'm curious at to what her "link" to XTC is. Galen Komatsu gkomatsu@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu ar592@Cleveland.Freenet.Edu
[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 12 Jun 92 09:26:28 MET DST From: "Materials Program Mgmt., Ayr (823-3189)" <drobb@ayov27.enet.dec.com> Subject: PP CD singles / CD boots >> Yes there are 2 CD Singles for PP in the UK as follows: >> >> CD one: >> 1.The Ballad of Peter Pumpkinhead >> 2.Wardance >> 3.Down a peg (demo) >> 4.The Ballad of Peter Pumpkinhead (demo) >> >> CD two: >> 1.The Ballad of Peter Pumpkinhead >> 2.Wardance >> 3.My Bird Performs (demo) >> 4.Always Winter, Never christmas If anyone on the list would like to add these two disks to their collection, but has difficulty finding them (in the U.S.), send me e-mail, and I'm sure we could work something out. Similarly, a good friend of mine in The Netherlands has access to a limited number of some of the XTC boot CDs :- "Kings For A Day" "Acoustic Tales" "In Motion" "Making Plans For Andy" Each title is priced at $30, which I believe includes airmail postage and good packaging. If anyone's in need of any of the above, again, send me e-mail and we'll see what the easiest way to work things out is. - Dougie_in_Scotland
[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: jwc@netex.netx.com (Jeff Comer) Subject: Re: Bad radio in DC Date: Fri, 12 Jun 92 9:00:11 EDT Organization: NetExpress ross@ray.grdl.noaa.gov writes >WHFS, of the DC/Baltimore area, bungled its way through an >Andy interview. From: Gen <urgent@wam.umd.edu> >WHFS can't seem to do interviews worth a damn at all, anymore. But >they can still get good artist in the studio to play. They used >to be very strong XTC supporters; i.e. one could here non-single >stuff played. They seem to have "Dear Madam Barnum" in heavy >rotation this week. I didn't hear the XTC interview, but other interviews I've heard have been fairly decent. But I agree, their strength is getting some great acoustic sessions in the studio. I still think 'HFS is a strong XTC supporter, even if they never play anything that predates TBEx (other than "Cuba"). I don't think I've heard *anything* from Go2 or White Music. However, I will surely destroy my radio if I hear "I Resign as Clown" one more time! Thank God they finally got off of "Pumpkinhead" before totally ruining it. -- Jeffrey W Comer * jwc@netx.com * 703-749-2369 (v) * 703-749-2375 (fax) Further proof Shakespeare invented baseball: "And when he caught it, he let it go." -Coriolanus
[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 12 Jun 92 15:46:10 BST From: Toby Howard <toby@computer-science.manchester.ac.uk> Subject: Book Chris Toomey's book "XTC: Chalkhills and Children" (Omnibus, pounds 7.95) is reviewed in the latest VOX. Haven't got time to type the review in right now, but it says the book is "dull, dull, dull", doesn't have nearly enough detail, and not enough Partridge humour. One anecdote though: the tale of "would-be band member Spud Taylor trying to impress Andy with his home-made synthesiser -- a metal box with a lever which made a mere two noises (a gurgle or a buzz). "I was really disappointed," recalls Partridge. "I thought: there's no place in this band for someone with a model of the tomb of Lennin that gurgles." Toby
[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 12 Jun 92 9:17:20 PDT From: "John M. Relph" <relph@presto.ig.com> Subject: Re: Primus Jon A.K.A. Derf <spmt147@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk> writes: >Primus are releasing a cover of 'Making plans for Nigel'. Oh dear. Actually, it has been out for quite a while now, originally on a Japanese CD (promo?) and more recently on a US CD single. Not bad, but not XTC. -- John
[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: Caoimhin <ukevc@mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu> Subject: peter/billy/mail/nonsuch Date: Fri, 12 Jun 92 10:34:01 PDT I think this mail got returned to me when i first tried to send it, probably because i mailed it to preso.ig.com....... since then, I have finished finals and last night i bought nonsuch! it is very good! from what i hear so far, nothing is disappointing the way cynical days, the loving, and hold me my daddy were. and everything sounds "good" at the moment, so as soon as it grows on me, i think i wil love it! Have people been saying they think War Dance is bad? I like it.... though it does sound a bit like a deliberate attempt at a hit? or a very accessible, familiar song? I guess it probably would not be a single due to its controversy (oo..) Peter Pumpkinhead sounds a bit like Extrovert, "...let's begin!..." and That Wave a bit like Human Alchemy and other songs sung in a low voice, but that's a silly comparison just due to my not having formed an individual impression of it yet.. More when i am more familiar with the album... and at home! ahhhhhh....
[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: Caoimhin <ukevc@mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu> Subject: select Date: Fri, 12 Jun 92 10:37:00 PDT I just remembered... I picked up the June 92 SELECT, and there is a little article on XTC and Nonsuch in the front. It may warrant typing in? Or it may be silly, as I'm sure the media coverage will be up again now that there is a new album... and this isn't GAFFA.... -- And my Nonsuch CD has the little insert of Andy rationalizing the musical universe in terms of all the other XTC product. But why does the Dukes entry show Psonic Psunspot instead of Chips.....? -- And what is the latin-looking inscription around the boys' photos? kevin
[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1992 12:20:32 -0800 From: "jeremy j. b. nguyen" <jeremy@apple.com> Subject: Re: Andy Partridge in San Francisco >> I have heard from a non-Chalkhills XTC fan that Andy Partridge >> will be appearing in San Francisco... >Since I live 40 miles south of L.A., I wouldn't now about stuff goin' >on in San Francisco, but of course this could ALSO mean somethin' similar >happening in L.A. in the near future...... :) :) :) Unfortunately, a posted notice mentioned that SF was his only west coast stop! I was very impressed by Andy in person. I suspect that >I< wouldn't have been so friendly after two solid hours of shaking people's hands, answering the same questions over and over, and signing albums, photos, posters, shirts, hands... He actually drew a little picture on our _Mummer_ cover. I gave him some of my CDs which he seemed to appreciate, although I doubt he'll like them very much. They were inserted into a bag full of gifts >from other fans. Also visiting from Chalkhills were Karen Schipper, Jon Drukman, and John Relph, with whom I spoke only briefly while there. Does anyone have a real address for Andy that isn't a record company? -jeremy ferret designer ex-chalkhills virgin (i think)
[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: 12 Jun 92 15:59:25 EDT From: Joseph Holmes <72241.731@compuserve.com> Subject: MTV Unplugged I met Andy for all of 90 seconds when he appeared at New York's HMV -- I was fifth in line for the autographs. I told him that I'd heard XTC was doing an Unplugged for MTV and he told me that it wasn't decided yet, but since MTV's very existence was partly XTC's fault, he figured they had some sort of duty to do it. Said with a grin. Other than that we talked about our kids. -=-Joe PS -- the woman first in line had a brilliant idea. She took a piece of hard canvas board -- the sort that artists use for oil painting -- and a magic marker. Andy drew her a charicature of himself and signed it. What a great souvenir! PPS -- Anyone want to offer to trade rare XTC vinyl for the poster Andy signed for me? E-mail me please.
[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: relph@presto.ig.com (John M. Relph) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 92 13:24:46 PDT Subject: Andy Partridge in person It all started when I came home one day last week and found a message on my machine (which has Andy Partridge singing "No one here available right now") from Becki MacDougal, asking if I wanted to meet Andy Partridge. Did I want to meet Andy Partridge?! What kind of question is that? Obviously enough, it is a question which merits a simple "yes" answer. So I called her back and she informed me of the Tower Records in-store appearence. I duly posted the information to Chalkhills which got quick responses from Jon Drukman and Karen Schipper. So Karen organized a carpool for the three of us. I called Kathy Davis (a Little Express reader) yesterday to make sure she knew about the autograph session. After all, she is the person who sent me the promo copy of Nonsvch before it was in the stores. As it turns out, she had taken the day off work in order to attend. I told her about Becki and we made plans to meet. At 2.00 pm, I jumped in my car (you know how you always find things to do at the last moment?) and drove like a maniac to pick up Karen. I volunteered to drive because my car has a stereo. Then we drove up to Belmont to pick up Desi the Three-Armed Wonder Comic. On the way we discussed what we should have brought, what we did, what XTC stuff we had got lately, etc. I felt like I was making a pilgrimage, bringing my meager but well-intentioned gift to place on the altar. In fact, I was. (Anybody see Wayne's World? "We are not worthy!") So we got to Jon's house (nice studio, Jon) and thence continued the journey to San Francisco. Traffic was pretty smooth, no real hitches getting across town. Of course I had a tape of CUD in the deck (I bet you thought I was going to say XTC!). We found a parking place across the street. When we got to Tower we found the line was already snaked around, perhaps 50 or more people preceding us in line. And just as we took our place in line, we heard the first notes of "The Ballad of Peter Pumpkinhead" coming from the house stereo. I looked around and recognized Kathy from the description she gave on the phone. Of course, she was the first person in line, having arrived at 1.15 or so. When I finally made eye contact we introduced ourselves (from across the room) and she pointed out Becki, who in fact was the second person in line! There was at least one person with a Toronto convention T-shirt, two people I recognized from KFJC record swops, Greg Lisher from the Monks of Doom, and other folks I thought I recognized. I was also introduced to Jeremy Bornstein, fellow Chalkhills subscriber. And after a few minutes, a voice came over the loudspeaker and introduced Andy Partridge of XTC! Mr Partridge and retinue came through the back door amidst polite applause and cheering. Surprise! He looks just like Andy Partridge. The Tower folks had set up a backdrop with Nonsvch flats and a table, it looked pretty good. And so Kathy got to meet Mr Partridge. She had quite a selection of stuff for him to autograph including the UK Nonsvch LP. And then Becki got her chance. She had brought her electric blue electric bass guitar, and it is now an autographed Andy Partridge model! Kathy then made her way to our position in the queue and we talked XTC, as we had quite a while to wait before we would reach the head of the queue. She had a scrapbook full of XTC interviews, advertisements, and other printed trivia. Jon and I got to discussing "Books Are Burning", and how Jon was difappointed that it wasn't as powerful as Dave Gregory had made it sound in the Little Express, and how XTC had had three, no, four, no, five very powerful final tracks on their albums: "Complicated Game", "Travels in Nihilon", "Snowman", "Funk Pop a Roll", and "Train Running Low on Soul Coal", but that "Books Are Burning" just didn't measure up. I actually like it, but Jon seems to think it could have been better. I think that "Books Are Burning" is the studio version of "This Is The End", which was a song that was originally going to end "Oranges and Lemons" but was canned in favour of "Chalkhills and Children". Kathy seemed to agree in some measure. And so we got to discussing "Train Running Low" because I had posted that I thought the drum fills were Linn drum and Jon insisted that they were human five-tom rolls, courtesy Mr Peter Phipps. So I bet Jon one American dollar (a gentleman's wager) that the fills were Linn drum. Nonsvch wound to a close and oddly enough we heard the opening strains of "Peter Pumpkinhead" once more. As we finally deduced, we were hearing the second UK "Peter Pumpkinhead" single, with the demo of "My Bird Performs" and "Always Winter Never Christmas". And they sounded good... A person just in front of us in line had a few copies of the Legion of Superheroes comic with Andy Partridge in it (ya have to read the Little Express to find these things out), and Andy nearly got down on one knee to thank the fellow for his gift. And finally we reached the head of the line. Karen stepped up first, and she'll tell you all about it. Then she introduced me as the person responsible for Chalkhills, the electronic XTC mailing list. I said I had to admit it, I was in fact responsible for it. Andy was glad to meet me, and he shook my hand. I had two things to get autographed, one for myself and one for Bill Wisner, so I gave Andy the booklet from my Nonsvch CD and he autographed it "HACK ON Andy Partridge". I said I did do that for a living. I also asked him if I could buy him a beer, but he politely refused (he was being led around by a troop of handlers). So I told him of the wager, and asked him the question, although I was a bit tongue-tied and almost forgot the name of the song. And he said, "Oh no, those are live, Pete Phipps all the way." So I pulled out a dollar and handed it to Jon, seeing as he won our bet, and Andy asked to see it and wrote on it, "Train Running Low Buck" and autographed it. Definitely the best thing that happened all day. Jon you lucky devil. And then Jon stepped up... How exciting! We retired to the parking lot afterwards, debating what to do now that we had in fact done it all. Kathy pointed out the Tower Records sign which said "Only West Coast Appearence Andy Partridge of XTC" so I took a picture of it. Kathy gave me a little gift, a rubber stamp of the "XTC" and frame from the cover of Nonsvch. We decided to get together next month for an XTC silliness party. Any takers? I suppose that sums up what I have to say about my Andy Partridge experience. Ciao, -- John
[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 12 Jun 92 14:25:42 PDT From: Karen.Schipper@corp.sun.com (Karen Schipper) Subject: meeting Andy Partridge what a great afternoon! i leave work at 2:00, not even telling anyone where i'm off to. i can't believe i'm doing this, and i'm sure all those "andy who?" people wouldn't understand. so i finally get to meet John Relph, and he drives us to pick up Jon Drukman, then we weave our way at illegal speeds (excellent job John) to Tower Records in SF. we get there about 5 minutes before they start playing nonsuch. then andy comes in the back door, to a quiet round of applause, which he waves down, and "aw shucks" away. lots of pictures were taken, and someone was video taping the first hour. we meet jeremy bornstein from chalkhills in line, and 2 other people John knew from Little Express. so after about 1 1/2 hours, we're the next in line. i felt like a little kid. i shake his hand and introduce myself. then i give him my Little Express to autograph and he goes "oh you brought the little express" and draws an arrow pointing at Colin's face on the cover, and tells me they always call this his Stan Laurel face, and asks "what do you think? looks a bit like Stan Laurel?" then he labels Colin as Stan Laurel, and signs his name. then i opened the little express to page 9, to show him a picture of Ian Stewart at the last XTC convention playing their guitar. I tell him that Ian is self titled "xtc anal", andy laughed. i told him Ian was in Ohio, and i didn't think he was going to Ohio. he confirmed. so i asked him to sign my nonsuch CD for Ian. he signed it "twang on Ian!" Then i tell him there is someone i want to introduce him to. he goes "oh really" and looks interested. and i go, "you've heard of Chalkhills", he goes "yes" truly, i can tell he's interested. being quite nervous, i go on to explain "the international computer alias devoted to the discussion of XTC" he goes "yes, yes!" and i say, "i want to introduce you to the guy who is the owner and creator of it" and we turn around, and i wave John to come over and say "this is John Relph" and i told him that a lot of fans have met thanks to John. i'll let John and Jon tell their part now. it was all great. Kathy Davis was there finishing off her roll of film for us. can't wait to see them! and the other highlight of the day was talking to Ian and telling him the whole story! karen (feeling about 11 years old right now)
[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Subject: andy live in SF From: Desi The Three-Armed Wonder Comic <jondr@sco.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jun 92 13:14:05 PDT so, andy partridge - in store appearance at Tower Records in San Francisco - only west coast stop! could i miss a day of work for this? you bet. john "the incredible relphster" relph and karen "goddess of xtc" schipper picked me up and we headed up to SF, with Cud blasting on the car stereo. got to the tower, parked reasonably close, and headed in. we got there at 3, for a scheduled 3 to 5 appearance, and the line was pretty sizable. fortunately, there was an abundance of conversation to be had, goodies to be gawked at and plenty of xtc on the store's stereo system. while waiting in line, john relph reopened the old "is it live or is it linn drum" debate concerning the drum fills on "train running low on soul coal." i maintained that it was a live drummer; john said "linn." we argued about it for a bit and then john had a bright idea - we could ask andy when we got to talk to him. john was so firmly convinced of the rightness of his ideas that he bet me one whole genuine american dollar. i'm not a betting guy, but my reputation as Studio Recording God was on the line. i said, "if there's one thing i know about, it's drum machines. you're on." we shook on it. so, karen got to meet andy first and she asked him if he knew about the computer list. he said he did and karen said, "well, here's the guy who runs it." john went up, explained the bet and asked the question while i lurked. andy said, "oh, definitely live. all the grindy bits at the beginning are linn, but once it starts rolling it's pete phipps all the way." i smirked. john got a dollar out of his pocket and prepared to hand it to me. andy said, "oh, is that the bet then? i'd best autograph the evidence!" so he snatched the dollar >from john's grubby mitts and wrote TRAIN RUNNING LOW BUCK on it, underneath which he signed his name. yowza! not only was i a dollar richer, with my reputation of Studio Godhood intact, but i had a nifty little collectible autographed by one of my personal idols. after john and karen had their gear signed, i got andy to autograph my Big Express CD booklet. i've tucked the TRAIN RUNNING LOW BUCK inside the booklet until such time as i get proper framing implements (i'm looking for a color scanner so i can make a GIF of it as well). while waiting for my autograph i said something like "i just wanted to thank you for writing so many wonderful songs." andy said, "gosh, my shucks-o-meter is off the scale." we shook hands. he is an extremely nice fellow! an exemplary human being, even. Jon Drukman (finely honed machine) uunet!sco!jondr jondr@sco.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The quick brown fox leaps over the lazy pop star.
[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Sat, 13 Jun 92 12:30 PDT From: jjeffers@reed.edu (Jemiah Levon Jefferson) Subject: Columbus interview I think it'd be a pretty keen world if it were just women and Andy, myself. Snigger, snigger. EEYORE
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Date: 13 Jun 92 21:01:59 EDT
From: Steve Levenstein <70750.1117@compuserve.com>
Subject: Chart Action
While I was in Tokyo, I received a free "J-Wave Tokio Hot 100"
chart on two occaisions when buying CDs.
For "The Disappointed", May 10: #12
May 17: #10
May 24: #12
Back home in Toronto, CFNY's "Thursday 30 Countdown" had
"Peter Pumpkinhead" at #9 this week, down one from #8 last week.
May I assume that "Nonsuch" the album is selling briskly
thanks to these strong singles?
---> Steve
[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: 13 Jun 92 21:45:42 EDT From: Steve Levenstein <70750.1117@compuserve.com> Subject: Japanese CD pricing Y'know, I feel almost "boorish" talking about "selling" XTC, and although I did purchase some extra copies of CDs that some folks won't see in their stateside stores for the express purpose of supplying said CDs to them, I refuse to profit by doing so! (sorry for such a long sentence!) And so I send my apologies to John Purlia, whose e-mail address was deleted by me too soon. John, I read the wrong price to you for the "Beeswax" CD. Both "Last Live Show" and "Acoustic Tales" cost me 3400 Yen, but "Beeswax" was only 2300 Yen. Saeko Suzuki's "Studio Romantic" was 2800 Yen. How can I lie, the price is printed right on the CD's paper spine cover (unique to Japanese CDs). John, I'm holding a "Beeswax" (my only extra one, since the wife needs one for HER XTC collection) for you, e-mail me if you still want it, and sorry for the price shock/mix-up! ---> Steve
[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: Treefrog@cup.portal.com Subject: Questions, both fact and opinion :-) Date: Sun, 14 Jun 92 20:24:13 PDT Hi! First question: What is _XTC_Explode_Together_(The_Dub_Experiments_ 1978-1980)_? I saw it at a local CD shop, and need to know is it worth getting? Is it not redundant (relative to the rest of the catalogue)? Is it rare at all? Thanks for any answers! Now a little background before my other two questions: I'm not an "old time" XTC fan; my first XTCDs were Skylarking and O&L, and I have since been on a reverse-order tour of purchases. I like *all* of their stuff, however :-). I'm down to the point now where all I have left are the first two albums, Go2 and White Music. I'll buy them no matter what, but want to know: Was this keyboard player a songwriter for the group? A *major* songwriter? A vocalist? What can I expect from him (and from the lack of Dave G.)? How about Andy and Colin's writing on those albums? Now question three: (opinions) As I stated, I didn't know the band's earlier albums until the CD re-issues. These re-issues have done something that seems unusual, in my experience; they've stuck the bonus previously-unreleased tracks right smack dab in the middle of the original LP running order. Does anyone think this damaged the albums? I have to say, if this was done to some of my other favorites albums (say The Beatles' Revolver), I think it might not be a good thing. On the other hand, Robyn Hitchcock's _I_Often_Dream_Of_ Trains_ did this, and I don't think it damaged the album at all. Any thoughts? Should I try to get to know the albums in their original order (by programming my CD player accordingly)? Or does it make any difference? Thanks and peace and all that love stuff. edward p.s. For those of you who have been to Disneyland, do any of you think Andy's _Travels_In_Nihilon_ is sort of like the Tiki Room on acid? Just curious! :-)
[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 15 Jun 92 15:37:49 +0100 From: DLF <D.L.Foulger@bnr.co.uk> Subject: The Bungalow Effect Prof. Noggy Newark writes: >My colleagues and I at the Centre for Research into Abnormal Phenomena have >recently been investigating a new phenomena known as _The Bungalow Effect_ >The poor victims then develop strange urges to walk into quiet rooms >with many people in (such as libraries), or phone up random numbers and >shout 'BUUUUNNNNNNNG - A - LOOOOWWWWWWWW !!!!!'. >Has anybody else noticed this? Yes. As chief librarian bod at Harlow (Essex County) Library I have become aware of this disturbing trend. We have been so inundated by XTCites suffering >from _The Bungalow Effect_ at the library that we have had to install a screening device to prevent these poor sad insane urgees from entering the building and subjecting our users to that hideous shout. We play subliminal XTC at the door and shoot anyone who smiles or taps their feet - you cant be too careful! Trying to get to know what these poor people are subjecting themselves to I have listened to _Nonsuch_ and like it very much except for the word: 'BUUUUNNNNNNNG - A - LOOOOWWWWWWWW !!!!!'. I have invented a new game called XTC Roulette. One puts _Nonsuch_ on and presses the _Random_ button! Mr D. Foulger (Associate Chief executive Librarian)
[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Welcome to new subscribers Eric Munson, Andrew Walker, Dennis P Hilgenberg, Jim Atkinson, Sarah Delaney, Robert Lampe, and Scott Mattoon! John Relph has moved. Changed addresses, that is. If you would like his new address, please write him at <relph@ig.com>. For all administrative issues, such as change of address, withdrawal from the list, fan club addresses, discography requests (last update 12 June), back issues, FAQ list, etc., send a message to the following address: <chalkhills-request@chalkhills.org> The Chalkhills archives are available at "http://chalkhills.org/". All views expressed in Chalkhills are those of the individual contributors only. I'm a thirty year old puppy. . .
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