Chalkhills Digest Volume 1, Issue 341
Date: Sunday, 17 April 1994
Chalkhills, Number 341
Sunday, 17 April 1994
Today's Topics:
Dukes/Elvis/AllofMe
Re: Introducing a New Member
TMBG CONNECTION
Johnny Nexdor & His Neighbors
Re: Doesn't "jump" on Mummer sound like PPH?
Re: regarding new member intros...
Various notes
Jennifer Trynin & Carmen
Intro and Jane Siberry
Andy Repaints Brian
plugging into Nonsuch
(none)
RE: Chalkhills #326
The Vanishing Girl Sleeps Tonight?
Producers of albums past
Crash Test Dummies
The Dukes
[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 11 Apr 94 22:33:03 CST From: treleven@vms2.macc.wisc.edu Subject: Dukes/Elvis/AllofMe Hello everyone! Just got some kernels from the last couple of issues to catch up on: Mike Mooney was musing a couple of issues ago about what influenced of some Dukes songs, to which I would add this: "25 O'Clock" reminds me a lot of an old Electric Prunes song called "I Had Too Much to Dream Last Night." That connection seemed to click a few years back, after having become thoroughly steeped in Dukes-mania, when I heard the Prunes tune on the radio for some reason. I don't know much about the Electric Prunes. They were a late '60s psychedelia band (American, I believe) that released several albums culminating with a record of Gregorian chants called "Mass in F minor (or was it major??) When I was in high school, a friend of mine and I stumbled across a Prunes record in a second-hand shop and thought it looked weird enough to be interesting. Anyway, try that song (their only hit, I think) if you feel the need to give 25 O'Clock some kind of reference point. I'm happy to report that in Madison, the unofficial XTC capital of the U.S., "Cherry in Your Tree" has been getting a fair amount of airplay on WMAD 92FM, a local "alternative" radio station. I've heard it three times in the past two weeks -- and I only listen to the radio when I'm in my car. The first time I heard it I was so surprised by the unmistakable sound of Mr. Partridge's voice (singing something NEW) that I nearly had a heart attack! I'm a bit curious though...This is supposed to be a CHILDREN'S song? I guess they don't think kids can understand double-entendre... Thanks to all who have chimed in about the song by They Might Be Giants. I've been a fan for several years now and am seeing them later this month at the Barrymore Theater (named after Drew's Granddad) in Madison. If you get the chance, catch their show. And speaking of Madison -- why *not* a convention here? Some people in the last couple of issues have mentioned Elvis Costello and condemned nearly everything he's done since 1981 or so. (Or am I exaggerating?) While I agree that "Goodbye Cruel World" was a most hopeless failure, I must stand up for his last several albums. I can understand knocking "Spike." It didn't hold up. But "King of America" remains a sentimental favorite of mine and I still believe that "Mighty Like the Rose," while pretty densely realized, was his best and most wittily bitter work in a long, long time. "The Juliet Letters" was difficult at first, but I now find it to be incredibly powerful. "Brutal Youth" is of course spectacular. Back to XTC: I neglected in my introduction some weeks back to mention my XTC favorites. "Black Sea" and "English Settlement" are at the top of my list, followed by "Oranges and Lemons," "Nonsuch" and "Skylarking" in no particular order. "Drums and Wires" is okay, but anything earlier than that doesn't get onto my CD player much. A thousand apologies to whomever this may offend, but no matter how hard I try, I just can't hear "The Big Express" as anything but a temporary creative impasse. To finish the "All of Me" discussion: It was written by Seymour Simons and Gerald Marks and published in 1931. Nearly every jazz performer has recorded a version of this nifty little standard. Anyway, sorry for prattling on so long. I guess there were a few things on my tiny little mind. Ed time.
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[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 11 Apr 1994 11:43:17 -0800 From: sid@dew.org (Sid Glenn) Subject: TMBG CONNECTION Hey I'm new to this computer stuff but I've been an XTC liker since somewhere in the eighth or seventh grade somewheres abouts. My friend's older brother had most of their albums and i made tapes, tapes, tapes . I was also wondering if someone would clear up the TMBG-XTC talk I've been reading. I live in Seattle, WA and the very large alternative radio station here 107.7-KNDD has been playing the new song "Cherry..." almost every hour. This station has been responsible for helping some lesser known bands along the path of success and response to the new song has seem to have been very good. I do hope it is a hit. Sid Glenn Thankx and whatever! sid@dew.org
[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 12 Apr 1994 00:20:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Johnson <steve-j@teleport.com> Subject: Johnny Nexdor & His Neighbors Well, I thought it was pretty obvious that it was Andy and John singing on "Change My World," though I THOUGHT it could have been just Andy. However, BOTH John Linnell and Andy Partridge have mentioned or alluded to the song in exchanges with a few fans to whom I've spoken.
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Date: Tue, 12 Apr 1994 11:26:26 -0500 (EST)
From: Wesley Van Kilgore <trout@pinn.net>
Subject: Re: Doesn't "jump" on Mummer sound like PPH?
For the life of me I can't remember a jump on Mummer. Perhaps
I have an import version of the album. I haven't checked my album yet,
but it's one of my favorites and (I thought) I pretty much knew it
inside and out (then again, I'm the knucklehead who called white music
"white noise", Somehow I accidentally confused that album with a Gang
of 4 song about white noise.) I bet I can even list the songs while
I'm sitting here at work.
Side 1: Beating of hearts
Wonderland
Love on a farmboy's wages
Great fire
Deliver us from the elements
Side 2
Human alchemy
Ladybird
In loving memory of a name
Me and the wind
Funk, pop a roll
Where in blue blazes is "jump"
Also, I've been away from the net for a while, trying to find a computer
to use in my new office, so I missed the deluge of corrections my
aforementioned White Noise gaffe received as well as my hendrix/Dylan
faux pas. I offer no excuses. I will keep the anal retentiveness of some
of my fellow chalkhillians in mind in my future postings.
[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 12 Apr 1994 08:49:13 -0600 (MDT) From: Andrew Dorfman <dorfman1@csn.org> Subject: Re: regarding new member intros... Hello to Chalkhills. I've been away from the net for a while and am busily catching up. I found Chalkhills posted in one of those huge lists of mailing lists and promptly forgot about it. I then saw the FAQ and signed up that moment. Thanks for all the pertinent reading material. If memory serves, the first XTC I heard on the radio was either Tower of London or Senses Working Overtime. At that time I was living in western Kentucky and XTC was on nobody's playlist. Upon moving to Denver, I heard XTC every day on at least two different radio stations, they are quite popular here. In fact, new releases might get a bit overplayed. I guess the disc that really sold me was English Settlement. I've been hooked ever since. I also resonate with a good bit of the other music cited in this group, especially Richard Thompson. I'm still kicking myself for missing his latest in Denver a week or two ago. Well, I'll be watching and reading. Looking forward to hearing much more, Andy
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Date: Tue, 12 Apr 1994 13:42:42 -0500 (EST)
From: CANEVIT@utkvx.utcc.utk.edu
Subject: Various notes
Hey, gang!
I just wanted to add one more expression of support for the two
albums getting so much buzz here. I bought the Carmen Sandiego disc last
week and found the Sam Phillips cd as well (I also found the Animaniacs
soundtrack, which would be better than Carmen if not for "Cherry in Your
Tree."). The XTC song once again proves that there is no more aptly named
band running around these days. Who would have thought that such a simple
song could be so haunting (in a good way)? I liked Martinis and Bikinis,
but I haven't yet had too much of a chance to let it grow on me. I would
have to qualify the statement made a week ago that it was really
psychedelic a la "Tomorrow Never Knows"; to my mind, it's a lot more subtly
so. I found the album at almost every turn to pull a sort of trick on me:
whenever I started to worry that a song was going to be sort of bland, Sam
went and changed something in the singing/music and made it really
seductive. I think that's the best way to describe the disc; it's not
really for all Chalkhillers, but a few listenings would make it attractive
to quite a few of you.
The Animaniacs soundtrack has nothing at all to do with XTC except
that it combines youthful wonder and fun with amazingly clever lyrics.
Very, very highly recommended.
For some reason, I have been listening a lot to the Dukes of late,
and personally, I would say that they sound a little like the Rutles.
One last note: I have caught references here made to the Lemon
Dukes, and I am wondering if "Cherry In Your Tree" would be pretty much
what we should expect from them. Does anybody know? What's the probability
of seeing a cd from them?
be seeing you,
Craig E. Canevit, who listened to the Carmen Sandiego, Animaniacs,
and Sam Phillips cd's while reading the latest issue of Jeff Smith's Bone,
and wonders why he didn't explode!
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Date: Tue, 12 Apr 1994 15:18:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Jason C. Langley" <jlangley@nynexst.com>
Subject: Jennifer Trynin & Carmen
Dear Chalkhills:
I picked up the Jennifer Trynin single (Everything's Different Now / Snow)
last week. "Everything's Different Now" credits Dave Gregory as "The
Soloist". It's actually quite good, very raw, funky, with two guitars
(one distorted, one with wah wah). Dave's solo is brief; its fluid
drenched in distortion and feedback.
The single is on Squint Records, PO BOX 562, Boston, MA 02130-0005
(617) 522-2289
I also picked up _Carmen SanDiego Out of this World_ a week ago. "Cherry
In Your Tree" is wonderful. I love the cello in the intro, the guitar part
reminds me of something, but what it is escapes me (T. Rex?). Actually
I know nothing about bubble gum so I might have to check with my older
sister, "the bubble gum queen".
From: Dave Franson <72277.311@compuserve.com>
>Carmen Sandiego: Out of this World also passes the intended audience
>test-- my 6- and 9-year old love it. Highly recommended.
Here, Here!! We listened to it in the car easter weekend. My five year
old daughter runs around the house singing "I got toys like the
other boys". Carmen has been a guilty pleasure for me lately, I
like "Half a World Away", "Lucky to be my Parent's son", and the
Johnny Nexdor tune.
From: Wesley Wilson <WWILSON@forumbos.mhs.compuserve.com>
>I *didn't* know, until I read the liner notes, that Dave Gregory
>and Colin also play on "Cherry," so it is a true XTC track.
Actually, according to the Little Express, he didn't.
From: Wesley Wilson <WWILSON@forumbos.mhs.compuserve.com>
>First, where is the (is it Christine?) Trynin CD single available?
Wes, it's a 45. Try Newbury Comics. I got the last copy at the Newbury
Comics in Natick (Sherwood Plaza).
From: seanbe@microsoft.com
>For more 80's psychedelia, y'all might check out the Three O'Clock (first
>couple of albums, before they got too homogenous).
_Sixteen Tamborines_ RULES!!! Great sixties pop, well worth checking out
if you can find it. I've had little use for their other stuff. Other
highlights from that "Paisley Underground" scene in the early eighties is
Dream Syndicate _Days of Wine and Roses_, Rain Parade _Emergency Third
rail Power Trip_, and _Rainy Day_ a great comp. (w/ Three O'clock, Rain
Parade, Bangles, Dream Syndicate,) turned me on to Velvet Underground and
Big Star.
> I also am a huge Let's Active fan and would like to put in a plug for
>the dB's, whose first two albums were incredible gems.
Once again, the dBs are great also. All of there stuff is recommended by me.
From: "John Relph" <relph@presto.ig.com>
>Steve Johnson <steve-j@teleport.com> writes:
>>Another song on the album, CHANGE MY WORLD, is also sung by Andy
>>and John Linnell of They Might Be Giants (the song performance is
>>credited to "JOHNNY NEXDOR & HIS NEIGHBORS" -- a very 'Partridgesque'
>>pseudonym).
>Steve! How did you find this out? Can you state without a doubt that
>it's Andy and John? What a great thing! I love both XTC and They
>Might Be Giants (and I'm going to see the Giants real soon now).
I have to ask the same question. I've listened to it over and over, and
while I'd like to believe it's Andy, I'm leaning to believe its not. I
hope I'm wrong, by brother swears its Andy, as does my wife.
From: "Hungadunga, Hungadunga, Hungadunga, & McCormick" <MELINDA@delphi.com>
>Let's finally get that Boston-area Chalkhills gathering organized (Jason
>and Mark, this means you)
Sounds great.
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From: Iain.Robertson@tiuk.ti.com
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 94 09:46:47 BST
Subject: Intro and Jane Siberry
Hello all,
Finally got round to my introduction post! I'm 29,
live in Bedford U.K, and have been into XTC on and off since
English Settlement (I missed Mummer and TBE due to being too
poor at the time, but I will definately aquire themsomeday :-).
Anyway, Damian Foulger wrote:
>word. Also, if there are any fans out there, and I know that there is at
>least one, how do people pronounce SIBERRY as in JANE?
Well, you can make that two fans now! I always pronounced it
"Sea Berry", but managed to catch her show in London last November,
were see was introduced as "Sib-erry" (Sib as in Sid). I'm now trying
to educate myself to this, but I'm finding it quite hard to adjust!
Regards,
Iain Robertson.
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Date: 13 Apr 94 14:07:42 EDT
From: Wesley Wilson <WWILSON@forumbos.mhs.compuserve.com>
Subject: Andy Repaints Brian
Hello,
I was intrigued to read somewhere that "Battery Brides" was written
by Andy as sort of a tip of the hat by Andy to genius
songwriter/keyboardist/producer Brian Eno (who considered joining
XTC at one point!).
I've been listening to Eno's "Before and After Science" and "Taking
Tiger Mountain (By Strategy)" lately. Terrifically innovative ! I
have also heard "801 Live" and "Stage" by Bowie (which features some
Eno/Bowie songs done live, sans Eno).
Can anyone recommend more Eno worth checking out? What about
Eno and Cluster? What about the Eno box set currently in stores?
Thanks 4 any recommendations...
"Looking up and down the radio...uh-oh, nothing there this time!"
--Eno
[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Wed, 13 Apr 94 18:58:28 EDT From: "Gene (Sp00n) Yoon" <ST004422@brownvm.brown.edu> Subject: plugging into Nonsuch Wesley Wilson <WWILSON@forumbos.mhs.compuserve.com> writes: > >Third, anyone have any ideas on why studio-conscious Andy would >want the sound of a guitar cord being plugged into an amp to >start of _Nonsuch_...? I always thought that the sound was supposed to evoke the sound of gunshots (five, to be exact--which happens to be the number of shots in a very famous presidential assassination). The popping sound is not unlike the popping sound of a gun being fired from far away, or in a very loud motorcade with cheering Dallas residents. Can you imagine the effect of shooting a bullet through a Pumpkin(head)? Very messy, I'd think. Just a thought, Gene
[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Wed, 13 Apr 1994 13:25:00 EDT From: BJWILSEY@suvm.acs.syr.edu Chalkhills, I am another new member. I first learned of XTC on the college radio station at Louisiana State Univ. (KLSU) in the mid to late 80's. They played a lot of Skylarking and Psonic Psunspot. My favorite CD's are the Big Express and Nonsuch, but I think their best work is going to be in the future. Enough about me. Brian Wilsey
[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: David Glenn <davidgl@microsoft.com> Date: Thu, 14 Apr 94 13:42:43 PST Subject: RE: Chalkhills #326 I have 3 copies of "The Cleaners From Venus -- Golden Cleaners". It's a 20 Song "best of..." collection. I'll sell them for $28 (US) each, postage paid anywhere in North America, International $30 (US) postage paid. The CD is an import from England. Let me know if you want a copy. If so, send me your mailing address via email and a check or money order to: Dave Glenn 8706 169th PL NE Redmond, WA 98052-3734 USA Thanks, -dave
[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Sat, 16 Apr 1994 15:16:13 EST From: chwirtalla@acad.ursinus.edu Subject: The Vanishing Girl Sleeps Tonight? Hi all...everybody seems to be discussing the Dukes' influences and I haven't seen anybody mention that the opening guitar riff for "Vanishing Girl" sounds very similar to the melody of "The Lion Sleeps Tonight". I don't know if this was intentional, but knowing the Dukes it probably was. Well, that's all I have to say now. Bye! -Chris P.S. By the way, in addition to XTC I'm also an avid Prefab Sprout fan...if there's anyone out there who cares to make a similar claim, they can reach me at chwirtalla@acad.ursinus.edu. Thanks!
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Date: Sat, 16 Apr 1994 15:46:21 -0500 (CDT)
From: CHRIS@crpl.cedar-rapids.lib.ia.us
Subject: Producers of albums past
Does anyone know anything about this group "Billy Pilgrim"? The reason I
ask is that I noticed recently that Mr. Hugh Padgham is listed as the al-
bum's producer. Though i had my doubts about a band that would name them
selves after a Vonnegut character, the Padgham connection has left me
somewhat curious. Anyone heard it? Thanks.
Chris
[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: m.mccormick2@genie.geis.com Date: Sun, 17 Apr 94 06:01:00 UTC Subject: Crash Test Dummies We've heard alot about Crash Test Dummies and their love of XTC music here in Chalkhills, but now in the May 5 ROLLING STONE comes some confirmation. At the end of nice little article summarizing the Dummies' rise to popularity in Canada with their first album, and then in the USA with their marvelous second album GOD SHUFFLED HIS FAN (every XTC fan should hear it!) band leader Brad Roberts reveals his feelings publically: "[Andy Partridge] is the best songwriter in pop music," Roberts says, suddenly leaning in to the tape recorder to make a direct appeal. "Andy, I love you, I love you. Come to me, Andy." Until Andy answers this heartfelt call, the Dummies will have to make due with Elvis Costello. They open for him on his reunited-with-the- Attractions tour this spring. --Mike
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Date: Sun, 17 Apr 1994 20:02:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: JahUbik <PRSAVAGE@delphi.com>
Subject: The Dukes
As a first post from me, here are just a few thoughts on the
Dukes of Stratosphear's "Chips From The Chocolate Fireball,"
which I heard for the _first time_ this week. On the floor within
two minutes! I know there has been a recent thread on this topic,
so pls excuse any duplication. Some of this is easy to figure...
some isn't.
Being of an age and cultural background where I
o-u-g-h-t to remember some of the influences the first time
through (frankly, I was too blitzed!), here are my guesses at what
they had in mind, based on one pass:
1) "25 O'Clock": intro--Pink Floyd ("Dark Side" era).
Then other Floyd eras, King Crimson, the Nice. Instrumental
breaks: The Doors, live.
2) "Bike Ride To The Moon": though it has some Who-like
qualities ("Happy Jack", "Pictures of Lily", "Quick One" era),
the correct reference point is The Move, a horrible shower. They
were Roy Wood's first band, and really pricelessly bad. The
reference is exact. Check out "Night Of Fear," their first
single. [Quelle horreur! Pure Spinal Tap, right down to the
quotes from the "1812 Overture".] On "Bike Ride," though, the
borrowings are the sloppy bassplaying, and the "now we rush to
the front of the stage and scowl" chunka-chunka sections at the
end of verses. These were--if anything--the band's only
distinguishing features apart from droopy mustaches and horrible
satin shirts their mums made them!
3) "My Love Explodes": Jeff Beck-era Yardbirds. Nearest
point: "Over Under Sideways Down." But in terms of delivery (more
Jagger-ish than Keith Relf-like), it could just as easily be
related to Rolling Stones' "Paint It Black."
4) "What In The World": lyrically, the daft "In The Year
2525." Musically, it's the Beatles, esp. "Tomorrow Never Knows"
5) "Gold Dress": Yardbirds again: this one's "Heartful Of
Soul"
6) "The Mole From The Ministry = "I Am The Walrus"
7) "Vanishing Girl": The Hollies, around "Bus Stop,"
Carrie Ann" time
8) "Have You Seen Jackie?": intro: Traffic ("Hole In My
Shoe"). Rest: Syd Barrett-era Floyd. "Arnold Layne" or "See Emily
Play" are very similar in many respects, both subject and music
9) "Little Lighthouse": Jefferson airplane, a la
"Surrealistic Pillow," though there's more to it than that...
10) "You're A Good Man Albert Brown": Small Faces ("Lazy
Sunday), Kinks pre-1967
11) "Collideascope": Beatles/Lennon--"Lucy In The Sky
With Diamonds" crossed with "Instant Karma"
12) "You're My Drug": Byrds' "So You Wanna Be A Rock 'n'
Roll Star"
13) "Shiny Cage": Lennon/Beatles' "I'm Not Sleeping."
Note "Mr.Kite" references
14) "Brainiac's Daughter": McCartney-flavor Beatles.
Elements of "Lady Madonna," "Good Day Sunshine" and "Maxwell's
Silver Hammer"
15) "The Affiliated": intro is generic, Kinks-ish. The
doubletime section (chee-ee-zy!) is Unit Four Plus Two, "Concrete
And Clay"
16) "Pale and Precious": Beach Boys/Wilson...bits of
"Smiley Smile," inc. "Good Vibrations" (note theramin), "Wild
Honey", then later ('up she rises'...) "Help Me Rhonda." Early
on, there are direct quotes from "Heroes & Villains."
For crazed deconstructionists, "up she rises.." is also
taken from a sea shanty called "Early In The Morning," inflicted
on all English schoolchildren of a certain age. And (here's the
point folks), as well known to them as "Sloop John B" is to kids
in the US. Nice circular reference!
In English Lit., there's a book called "Books At The
Wake," a compendium of references to other books in James Joyce's
"Finnegans Wake". You could almost do that here...among other
bands fleetingly heard: Spirit, Electric Prunes, Thirteenth Floor
Elevators, Steppenwolf, Moody Blues (the intertrack kid's
dialog), Moby Grape, and (maybe this is "Little Lighthouse"
--Love, and their long (a k a sleep-inducing) "Alone Again
Or" from "7 and 7 Is". Or was it the other way round... )
Also, the whole thing is very Mothers-ish ("We're Only In
It For The Money." Which is intended as a compliment...
But is it good? I'm speechless...an amazing record.
Completely daft, and wonderful too. I think I'll notice more
influences on subsequent listenings.
I asked myself halfway through: "Does anyone else know
how to laugh at themselves like the British? And is there any
group more surreal?" And "they" replied:
"The puffin sipped at his herbal tea and sighed:
'You can't get the buttons these days...' "
--JahUbik a.i
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