Chalkhills Digest, Number 461 Friday, 4 August 1995 Today's Topics: No New Jersey MTV Unplugged (none) Go2, Barry, Punk, and other tales Boring LPs are A-OK Andy & Computers To any Guitar playing XTC fans Unpugged heaven is paved with ... what? Air play and record sales. Re: #2(2) Chalkhills Digest #460 XTC Demos #1 Re: Chalkhills Digest #460 The origin of Unplugged Thirsty Ear Records? The Old New Debate Top 25 RE- Making Plans for Nigel Early versus Late dukes backwards masking Queen of the Tubes My obligatory bi-monthly posting Administrivia: Chalkhills will be moving in the near future. Chalkhills may be on vacation for a few weeks. Stay tuned for further details. To UNSUBSCRIBE from the Chalkhills mailing list, send a message to <chalkhills-request@chalkhills.org> with the following command: unsubscribe chalkhills For all other administrative issues, send a message to: <chalkhills-request@chalkhills.org> Chalkhills Archives not available using FTP. World Wide Web: "http://chalkhills.org/" The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. So I spend lots of time lounging at home.
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 08:09:24 -0700 From: John Relph <relph> Subject: No New Jersey mgooch@scn.org (Marshall Gooch) writes: > >Well, I'm dubbing a copy of this CD right now, and right before >they go into "Ball and Chain" Colin Moulding says "Thank you >Philadelphia." Plain as day. Perhaps the Wash DC show has the That's Cherry Hill, NJ. Nevertheless I've changed the discography and the live listing to reflect the fact that _Fab Foursome At Philly_ was indeed recorded in Philadelphia, not Cherry Hill. My mistake. However, it was definitely not recorded in 1979. It was probably recorded within a few days of the aforementioned Cherry (in your) Hill concert, in April 1981 (an early version of "Ball and Chain" was played in the concert). -- John -- Eat recycled food! It's good for the environment and okay for you.
------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 08:17:12 -0500 Subject: MTV Unplugged From: kimw@rice.edu (Kim E. Williams) I noticed a comment about Unplugged on MTV being inspired probably by XTC's radio tours. They're only half-right. It was the idea Andy presented to them when MTV offered huge bucks to play one concert live and to have it videotaped. They told him they'd never done anything like that before and didn't know how it would work. In essence, THEY TURNED IT DOWN!!! Then within about a year, Unplugged was on the air. So, Andy is actually the brains behind the idea. Kim
------------------------------ From: HOOKER2@MUVMS6.MU.WVNET.EDU Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 16:47:55 -0400 (EDT) This is my first posting, so here goes... I have thought long at hard about which XTC albums are my favorites: Go2: From start to finish, a raw and energetic album, although Barry seems to be off in another world most of the time (immediately coming to mind in comparison would be that second vocalist in the Sugarcubes who was always competing with Bjork). Go+ is alright as well, although it is not included on the CD reissue (one must buy the DUB CD which pairs it with Mr. Partridge's dub album). Drums and Wires: Ahhh! Making Plans..., Scissor Man, Life Begins at the Hop, these are only a few of the power-pop treats that awaits those who venture forth [damn, I just ran out of clever wit] Oranges and Lemons: Sure, Skylarking was good, but everyone knows of how Todd Rundgren nearly broke up the band over his continuity concept. After recovering face following the success of Skylarking, XTC was genuinely enthusiastic about recording again, and that enthusiasm shows all across Oranges and Lemons where it does not show in its predecessor. [Speaking of continuity, I have the 3 3" CD set of Oranges and Lemons, which just seems to suit well those of us who normally would enjoy getting up to change the side of a record every 20 minutes or so]. And to everyone who is waiting for Andy to tour again, I recall those words he spoke on this topic in an American magazine upon completion of Oranges and Lemons: "Why should I get paid for something that I do not enjoy doing? I could be sweeping out sewers instead." BTW, I am a Yankee! Andrew Hooker <HOOKER2@MARSHALL.EDU>
------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jul 95 16:42:59 EDT From: Matt Hiner <R2MCH1@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU> Subject: Go2, Barry, Punk, and other tales A variety of quips, ideas, and comments... First to Nicolas. If you check your history, punk actually had similtaneous starts in both the U.K. and America. The Ramones formed two years before the Sex Pistols (if you count those two bands as creating the original sound). And you could go back further in time to find several pre-punk bands who influenced the entire punk genre, i.e. MC5, New York Dolls, Stooges. Punk fans in the U.S. had to overcome such huge obstacles (unfriendly radio, corporate rock fascists, religious and political censorship groups, and national record stores afraid of losing the almighty $), that it did not really catch on for some time. As Jello Biafra once said, "A hairstyle is not a lifestyle." And as far as the recent trend of abuse directed toward Go2, White Music, and Barry, it is rather unfair to compare the pre-English Settlement band with the post-ES band. The English Settlement album clearly marked a change in XTC's direction, and you could almost argue that they are clearly two different bands before and after that LP. White Music, while not a great album, does have a few gems and is a good listen when you are in a good mood. Go2 is probably my favorite XTC album - full of quarky guitar and keyboards (I'm not sure what influence Barry had on this record, but his work greatly compliments Andy's guitar) and oft times tongue-in-cheek lyrics. Thats it. - Matt Hiner University of Akron
------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 15:13:09 -0700 From: Riches@Cyberstore.ca (Michael Riches) Subject: Boring LPs are A-OK There's been a lot of discussion about Nonsuch being a limp effort. Yeah, I agree, it was underwhelming on first listen and took a lot of time to grow on me. But the thing I appreciate most about XTC is that every album they make sounds different from anything they've done before. Even if Nonsuch or Mummer aren't the most upbeat LPs, at least I can just accept them for what they are and still find something intriguing about them. It would be far worse to make O&L part 2, or copy the same sound from Black Sea. That's the sign of a bankrupt group, when they have to dip back into the well for a second time because they can't think of what to do next (hello Mick and Keith...) When I listen to Nonsuch, I marvel at the fact that these guys have been going since 1977 and are still creating music that's progressive and unique, even in comparison to their previous work. It's what made the Beatles and Brian Wilson great, and it's a trait that's been far too rare in music. ... And Go2 is a wonderful album! White Music just scratched the surface, but Go2 is rich with textures and sounds that create an unusual and mysterious world. Again, if the band just made an extention of White Music without doing anything different, it would have been a far greater crime. It also marks the only time someone other than Andy or Colin have written or sung XTC tunes, and whether it fits or not, it's damn bizarre and I like it!
------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 15:14:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Johnson <steve-j@teleport.com> Subject: Andy & Computers It was mentioned that there were people on AOL claiming to be Andy Partridge and one respondant said Andy only used computers from drum programming. That's pretty much true -- Andy doesn't really like computers, but he DOES have an Atari MEGA ST system in his studio for MIDI sequencing purposes and, as far as I know, that's the ONLY thing he uses it for. He DOES, however, get hardcopies of occasional Chalkhills issues through other people -- that's about as online as he gets.
------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 19:44:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Sean Hennessey <seahorse@roscoe.law.harvard.edu> Subject: To any Guitar playing XTC fans Hello, Sorry to post what will be probably considered a sad posting, but I was wondering if any of you would know of a good place (asides from the Chalkhills page and Nevada) to get XTC tabs, I am particularly looking for songs like 'This is Pop' and some of the earlier stuff. Dukes stuff as well. Dave Gregory is a hero. So is Andy. One must learn from ones influences... Tara, A.E.M.
------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 15:24:24 -0500 From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James) Subject: Unpugged >i can't speak for MTV's Unplugged, but i'd have to say the real roots of >the unplugged phenomenon lie with the Violent Femmes. Maybe, but weren't they just following on a style popularised a decade earlier by T.Rex? Aaugh! It's happened again! Whoever suggested we'd be talking KC and the Sunshine Band was wrong, though!!! IpromisetoonlywriteaboutXTCIpromisetoonlywriteaboutXTCIpromisetoonlywriteabo utXTCIpromisetoonlywriteaboutXTCIpromise... James James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. Ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand pixelphone james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz / steam megaphone NZ 03-455-7807 * You talk to me as if from a distance * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time, * from another time (Brian Eno)
------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 22:42:20 -0500 (CDT) From: "my world is spinning..." <LEACH@AC.GRIN.EDU> (Arlo B Leach) Subject: heaven is paved with ... what? a quick question regarding "heaven is paved with broken glass": i can understand how love made a fool of andy, but what does physics have to do with it? hmm... -arlo
------------------------------ From: DAMIAN FOULGER <SPXDLF@cardiff.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 10:35:20 GMT Subject: Air play and record sales. Dear claymountains, Everytime I hear XTC played in public I have to report it to the list. I know that this is probably not a major occurance in the US but here is Britain it doesn't happen a lot. The event I have to tell about is a sad one. This time I just happened to be in a pub (what me, in a pub? Never.) and this pub happened to have a juke box. Jukeboxes in Britain are invariably programmed to play themselves after no money has been put into them for a while. The really sad thing is that they are programmed to play the least popular music. Hence Making Plans For Nigel was played. Sad huh? Eddie wrote: >response. I now wonder if anyone on Chalkhills could hazard a guess? Even >an approximation would be welcome! Also,I would like to say, that I saw that English Settlement got to number 5 in the UK album charts so I guess that they must have sold quite a few copies. More than 10 say! ;-) Dames TWD (Life is good in the greenhouse:XTC) (You told me you saw Jesus, but I could only see a tree: Amber)
------------------------------ From: Hedblade@aol.com Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 16:18:19 -0400 Subject: Re: #2(2) Chalkhills Digest #460 Hello fellow :"Chalkheads" (I love that term). I'm new to the pages and have enjoyed my first "Digest" (#460). So, I REALLY NEED MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THESE DEMO CD's! The label is "Extatic?" Where are they from? More importantly, will I have to sell my computer to get them? Please help. In responce to another question. I happen to think that Oranges And Lemons may indeed be the band's best effort. Now before you fans of the early work get rumpled, let me state that I bought Black Sea when it was released in 1980 (at the tender age of 13), and have followed the band ever since. The question is, will XTC work with Paul Fox again? They should. Finally, the Andy demos for the Hello CD of the month club are great and offer some hope to those let down by Nonsuch. I'd like to see some discussion of these tracks here. Cheers, Hedblade
------------------------------ From: Bradley Wood <btwpa@hooked.net> Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 19:13:32 -0700 Subject: XTC Demos #1 The XTC Demos are a series of five bootleg CDs which were reportedly produced in Japan. It is difficult to determine their exact origin, and may have been manufactured in the US. They are produced by "Ecstatic Records" and the appear to have been generically produced. (Demo #5 is identified as "Starpark" whil Demo #4 is identified as "Kiss Her Kiss Her.") As far as availability, check the adverts in Goldmine. I suspect the discs may have been manufactured in the US, in which case there may have been only 1,000 - 2,000 of each title made. The five demos are: XTC Demo #1: Drums and Wires outtakes XTC Demo #2: Nonsuch Demos XTC Demo #3: Oranges and Lemons Demos XTC Demo #4: Big Express/Dukes/Instrumentals XTC Demo #5: Helium Kidz Demos/XTC Drunken Sessions. XTC Demo #1 is largely a collection of outtakes and alternate cuts from sessions which produced the "Drums and Wires" album. The sound quality is much improved from the Helium Kidz demos, but still leaves much to be desired. The sound is compressed and not nearly as clear and distinct as on the official release. Much of the songs in this offering have only slight changes >from their released versions. I suspect that many of these tracks are the same as the official versions, sans overdubs. Three songs are duplicated on this disc: "Chain of Command" Version #1 ends with an instrumental fade out, while version #2 has "Chain of Command" repeated over fade out. "Making Plans For Nigel" Version #1 has the drums without being phased, while version #2 has the familiar electronically altered drums. "Officer Blue" Both versions are sung with a mock eight year old style vocal, although version #1 is a little more convincing. The first version also had a slightly different percussion section in the middle. "Helicopter" Andy's vocals and guitar are a little off key. "Ten Feet Tall" features a short strummed intro and yet another different solo not included on previous versions. "When You're Near Me" Similar to the released version. "Towers of London" is the slow version not included on Black Sea. "Cuba Dub" is another dub version of "Living Through Another Cuba," it is different from the dub on Go+, but not particularly inventive. "Ball and Chain" is about the same as the original, save for a different background chorus on the fade out. "Punch and Judy" This song is perhaps the only reason to purchase this disc. This is a finished alternate version of song >from Rag and Bones with a synthesized bass line and more of a "swing/ska" beat. Much more enjoyable than the familiar version. Overall, unless you are a completist, save your money for something else.
------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 11:54:30 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher R. Coolidge" <ccoolidg@moose.uvm.edu> Subject: Re: Chalkhills Digest #460 Brian May of Queen producing XTC? Well I suppose that's no weirder than Graham Gouldman of 10cc producing The Ramones. I'm sure Brian's available. I'm a Queen fan too, though they lost me during Fred's B&D late 70's early 80's trash-rock period. I got interested again when they started being an actual band on their last two albums. XTC would be interesting with Roger Taylor on drums, speaking of hard-hitting drummers. My top 10 XTC songs off the top of my head:(in no particular order) 1. She's So Square 2. Mechannik Dancing 3. Helicopter 4. Respectable Street 5. All Of A Sudden(It's Too Late) 6. Yacht Dance 7. Wonderland 8. Love On A Farmboy's Wages 9. Young Cleopatra 10.Humble Daisy Tough choice. Only one Colin song.(sorry, Colin!)
------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Aug 95 11:39:19 EDT From: ST002436@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU Subject: The origin of Unplugged In the last issue of Chalkhills, John Relph suggested that the MTV Unplugged phenomenon was inspired by XTC's Acoustic Radio Tour. While it's possible that this is the case I think it might be more fair to give some credit to Crowded House. When they first got together in '86 they played restaurants in LA with acoustic guitar, bass and snare drum. After "Don't Dream It's Over" broke they got pretty chummy with MTV who let them host the video countdown and had them do a spring break show. When i saw them in 87 they did and acoustic set in the middle of their show (which was beautiful). Anyway. I remember that the first episode of Unplugged featured Crowded House and I think Jules Shear. The show didn't really catch on at first and it wasn't until a year or two later that it became the evil instrument of bad rock stars who should just go away. Xtc's acoustic stuff is great and the success of their tour may have influenced MTV's decision to hype Unplugged but I think that MTV got the idea from some TV producers who liked music and wanted to make a variety show. As a footnote to all of the Crowded House stuff, I think it's also possible that Difford and Tillbrook from Squeeze were performing a similar stripped down acoustic show at that point too. Any of you who haven't heard the acoustic tapes should really make an effort to find them. The band sounds like they are having fun and the songs shine with the new twists they give to the melodies. Oh yeah, and that jam session between Belew, Partridge and Gunn sounds like it would be amazing. Take care everybody. It's hot out there.
------------------------------ From: "Paul Stratford" <haryan@easynet.co.uk> Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 17:33:13 +0000 Subject: Thirsty Ear Records? As above.. um, er, Who? UK contact? *-------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Stratford " And the screaming sky won't let me sleep. Bored MIS Manager The stars are laughing at us, as we crawl on and on across this antheap." XTC *--------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 10:40:56 -0600 (CST) From: Erik Anderson <aa393@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca> Subject: The Old New Debate Regarding the debate between the old and new xTc (someone drew a line at English Settlement), I have this to say: A couple of weeks ago I attended Another Roadside Attraction -- a one-day music festival that featured bands such as Blues Traveller, Ziggy Marley, Spirit of the West, Matthew Sweet and the Tragically Hip. Basically I went to see M.Sweet, but there were some other great moments as well. The point is that I have never really been a Hip fan; and I have always wondered why people liked them so much. Well, I finally figured it out: their songs are totally reproducable live. With xTc, I would argue that after The Big Express they began writting songs that could never be reproduced in a live show, not without enlisting the services of a myriad of other musicians anyway. I know some may draw this line earlier, but that debate doesn't really matter: Drums and Wires and Black Sea are live albums; Skylarking and Nonsuch are studio albums. The rest of their work falls somewhere in between. Now, I don't really have a problem with this distinction for two reasons: I like both live AND studio music; and I have been a xTc fan for so long that I have come to regard EVERYTHING they have done with similiar esteem and, at times, awe. As for the Hip: enjoy your time because no one will be listening to you in twenty years. xTc will always be there. They have already stood the test of time. Cheers, Erik Anderson
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 02:53:13 -0400 (EDT) From: bradley e preuss <bpreus01@fiu.edu> Subject: Top 25 Hi there Chalklings, Whew! Took me a while to get them all together and I thank everyone who responded. In all I received lists from about 30 people or so. Most everyone said that 1) giving me a list of just their top 10 XTC songs was very hard to do, and 2) if I asked them again tomorrow it would more than likely be different. Anyways, without further ado: The XTC Top 25 ______________ 1. Senses Working Overtime 2. (Tie) Then She Appeared Respectable Street 4. (Tie)Love on a Farmboy's Wages Earn Enough for Us 6. Making Plans for Nigel 7. Mayor of Simpleton 8. (Tie)Complicated Game Merely a Man 1000 Umbrellas 11.(Tie)Burning with Optimism's Flame Seagulls Screaming Kiss Her, Kiss Her This is Pop I Remember the Sun Ten Feet Tall You're the Wish You are I Had Another Satellite All of a Sudden (It's too late) Across this Antheap 20.(Tie)Generals and Majors Jason and the Argonauts Dear God Grass Ladybird Chalkhills and Childrens Yowza! In case you're interested, Senses received 13 votes, while the last 5 received 4 votes each. Brad
------------------------------ Date: 3 Aug 1995 13:09:21 -0500 From: "Wesley Wilson" <Wesley_Wilson@iegate.mitre.org> Subject: RE- Making Plans for Nigel RE: from last issue, Making Plans for Nigel. It's one of those slow, "white reggae" numbers that I used to love back in the late 1970s, early 1980s. The Police had a number of these as well. Interesting drumming and guitar work. I still like the song, although I've heard it a zillion times in various versions. I like the sentiment of the song; a similar theme can be found in "Be Good, Johnny" by Men at Work. (By the way, I can vouch for both of the albums by MaW; they're good.) Although Men at Work were more of a Police clone in many ways. I'm willing to bet they like(d) XTC. Wes
------------------------------ From: FINB@aol.com Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 23:37:02 -0400 Subject: Early versus Late I like the early stuff - mostly because it's a hoot to see the PROGRESSION of the band from then til now. And that's the thing that most struck me over the years as I'd buy new records. It was easy to see them building on their earlier foundations and ideas - which most groups/bands/songwriters aren't able to accomplish as well - - - most just run out of material. Fear is Never Boring! - Rob Fetters/ the Bears DIK \:)
------------------------------ From: Algae99@aol.com Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 00:23:55 -0400 Subject: dukes backwards masking I do not know if I am the first to do this, but I figured out the backwards message between "Mole From the Ministry" and "Vanishing Girl" on the "Chips From the Chocolate Fiireball" CD. Using Sound Blaster, I slowed the chirping message down a few times, and reversed it. A voice says something close to "Take a f**k yourselves with your atom bomb." It is extremely strange. [ Everybody: please read the FAQ. -- John ]
------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 95 17:06:41 PDT From: John Relph <relph@presto.ig.com> Subject: Queen of the Tubes In response to various Chalkheads... Pat Moffatt <patmoff@village.ca> asks: > >1) Do we have any Queen fans on this list? I don't think I'd call myself a Queen FAN, but I do like to give them a listen every so often. This morning, for instance, I put on a few songs from _Night at the Opera_ (Seaside Rendezvous), _Sheer Heart Attack_ (In The Lap of The Gods, Misfire), _Jazz_ (Mustapha), and a few from their hits compilations. But I don't find XTC and Queen too closely related. I find more similarities between Queen and Blur (show tunes) and more similarities between Blur and XTC (power pop). How Blur got in the middle I don't know. XTC actually do very few "show tunes", whereas the Beatles, Blur, Queen, and a number of other British pop bands do quite a few. >fall asleep after Peter Pumpkhinhead. Listen to O&Y then listen to >Nonsuch. I think you'll see what I mean. I find _Nonsvch_ much more listenable than _Oranges and Lemons_. _O&L_ cuts into my head after a while; _Nonsvch_ has a mellower feel, not as metallic. Metal Fruit versus Wooden Castle. >4) Am I the only person on this list who would pick O&Y as their favourite Oops, that's twice: _O&Y_, which I suppose stands for _Orange and Yellow_. >7) Barry Andrews is definately a talented musician. Unfortunately, his >keyboard work is not well suited to what XTC was trying to do at the time >(or ever). I really enjoy his two songs on Go2. I disagree, but am content to leave it at that. Dean <d.zemel@genie.geis.com> writes: > >To Anyone Who Knows: I have the first five CDs by Extatic, those being the >various demos that have been mentioned a lot here. I'm told by Joe Jarrett >in Toronto (a fine fellow, I might add) that CD No.6 is a "Live in Boston" >CD. Does anyone know if there are any others from this "label"? Can someone (Joe?) send me the details about this No. 6 "Live in Boston" CD? And when they first appeared, I remember someone mentioning that there were actually SEVEN CDs from eXtaTiC. >Also, a question that has been asked here before but never answered: Are >the women named Partridge who sing on some Shriekback albums related to Andy? "That's a no, Bill." AYM <AngryYngMn@aol.com> writes: > >Just bought the TUBES greatest hits...you know, "She's a Beauty" and "Talk >To You Later..." They're pretty damn solid for a band no one ever gives >any credit to. I'm still waiting for _Now_ to appear on CD. A most excellent record, with fab drumming courtesy The Time Bomb. The cover of the album was also done by Mr. Prairie Prince. -- John -- Let the products sell themselves: Fuck advertising, commercial psychology! Psychological methods to sell should be destroyed. -- Minutemen
------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Aug 95 21:41:35 EDT From: Melissa Reaves <MREAVES@KENTVM.KENT.EDU> Subject: My obligatory bi-monthly posting Hi all you Affiliated! Was listening to Rag n Bone today. Whoever said it was dead right. XTC's throwaways are a million times better than what else is out there. With notable exceptions. In answer to the question "what XTC are you mortally embarassed for the boyz by?" I have to say that bogus Respectable Street (though good for a laugh) and the "dance mix" Down in the Cockpit. And that one's unlistenable except that I can hear the cool basslines so much clearer. Re early XTC, I guess I just feel XTC truly started with Drums n Wires. And even some of that's a little rough for me. I am noticing a trend going concerning who likes what. We all like what was out when we discovered them. I, for example, am quite partial to that middle era. I cut my musical teeth on English Settlement and Mummer, thus those and the next two are my faves. Those who were around and hip during Punk can better appreciate White Music and Go2. You REALLY young folks are perhaps the luckiest. You can pick and choose 'cause there hasn't been squat new lately and they're way past their peak of popularity. So like I amn with the B***les (which can also be the Buggles), you are free of any contextual restraints and can like whatever. A girl who lived in my hall in college used to date the kid who played Oliver on the Brady Bunch. I kid you not. She moved out to California and that was her claim to fame. He was in some rock band at the time. I can probably track him down when y'all are ready to start shooting the film. Haven't heard him sing, don't know what instrument he plays, but maybe we'd luck out and he could sing his own parts. So that's a weight off my mind having shared all this with you all. We're going light and streamlined in the head department these days. From past-shoulder-length hair to looking like Dolores O'Riordan of the Cranberries. Or Sheryl Lee in Backbeat, depending. Yes that's why you didn't recognize me when I signed on. Later. I feel like someone else. --Melissa
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