Chalkhills Digest Volume 2, Issue 41
Date: Tuesday, 28 November 1995
Chalkhills Digest, Volume 2, Number 41
Tuesday, 28 November 1995
Today's Topics:
chords to "Roads..." - I must be dreaming
Re: Chalkhills Digest #2-39
An idea
Posies
Interpretation
Stoned on U.S. history
Re: Miscellany
The xTc Anthology
Ramblings
Adrian Belew and John Lennon
a voluntary ban, my foot
Transformer
XTC Poster for sale
Re: Fegmania list
Lennonism/Sonny Jim/Cockpit/Tone Painting
Censorship.
Errata
Another Fab Four/Fab Three Connection
JFK and stuff
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From: scotth@henry.wells.edu
Organization: Wells College
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 06:56:09 +0500
Subject: chords to "Roads..." - I must be dreaming
To the recent poster of the chords to what may well be
the single greatest XTC song, a huge and awed thank you. I've loved
this band since Nigel, I saw them live for Black Sea (in East
Providence RI), and was
completely swept away by English Settlement (especially the Canadian
copy I found with the extra tunes). A friend and I (a bass-player -
how did you know!?) worked out Knuckle Down (great fun) and Nigel but our
attempts at Roads usually fell apart in fits of laughing,
upon reaching the first verse! He claimed
to know the chords to the verse
and the bridge but I remained dubious. Apart from unlistenable
jazz standards (after all, only the bass player could play his
instrument!), these 2 or 3 XTC songs were our little repertoire.
We did however have some approximation to the chorus of Roads under control,
as I can now see - I would add
to your excellent transcription only that I hear that maj7 feel too in both
of those two opening chords but play them higher up, on the 4
high strings, as Gmaj7,Cmaj7, but barring on 10th fret if you get my
drift (I don't have a guitar in my office but I think it would be
XX12-11-12-10 , XX10-12-12-12),
Thank you thank you thank you, you have justified the existence of
this entire endeavor for this happy reader. I will try to lurk less
and practice more!
Another interesting (to me anyway) observation - given my advanced
age, I figured that the "snot-nosed" band I liked had to be younger -
even in ' 82 or whenever it was that I first heard them.
Interesting to discover that AP is 11
days OLDER than I (or is it 374) - and a SCORPIO too, to boot.
I also remember about that time ('82) encountering a local DJ who was
wearing an XTC button (I was with my bass player buddy I believe) and
acting ignorant, pronouncing it "zits" even though we knew better. I think
she was offended.
Do I need to close with a quote? OK - something from Complicated
Game? No. This World Over? Nah, also too heavy. Keep it simple:
"We need a new broom, to sweep it all clean"
------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 09:50:06 -0600 From: aosterma@students.wisc.edu (Adam J. Ostermann) Subject: Re: Chalkhills Digest #2-39 >From: Martin Bell/New Zealand/IDG Net <Martin_Bell/New_Zealand/ >a work in progress - cover artwork for the new "Chills" single (A New >Zealand band of some critical repute, but few sales). As I scanned down the >credits list I noticed that Dave Gregory was credited with bass and >one-time XTC and Fairport Convention member Dave Mattacks with drums. This >single is the first from a new album which apparently features DG and DM >extensively, as well as Colin Moulding (I think). Way cool. Good to hear the Chills are back and have ex-XTCers up to bat. ^Soft Bomb^ is still one of my personal fave albums of the 90s. Hope this one lives up to advance billing. Wonder what our regular NZ contigent thinks...:-) Well, it's good to be back in XTC-land. Looks like I missed a few religious debates, shucky-darn. XTC Question: What songs did Colin write on ^Go2^? Am I right in assuming it's ONLY "Crowded Room" and "I Am the Audience." My copy doesn't say who wrote what, so I'm curious. And there are times on that album I can't tell the two apart.... but as you can tell from my sig I've been listening to it recently. I agree that John Leckie would do for their next producer (from what I heard, he almost produced ^Nonsuch^) but a U.S. producer who might work as well is Jim Rondadelli (sp.- don't have his real spelling handy) He's probably best known for engineering Matthew Sweet's ^Girlfriend^, but since then has done a great job with production and mixing with Sloan, Small Factory and the upcoming LP by Lotion, all great, poppy bands I recommend. P.S. Wonder what sound Andy would use to describe the 90s if he continues his "History of Rock'n'Roll." ;-) **************************************************************** Adam J. Ostermann UW-Madison Journalism major.... And G minor *---------------------------------------------------------------- ADAM's PICK DISC: ^Gideon Gaye^ by the High Llamas (Epic) ADAM's OTHER PICK DISC: ^The Agnew Funeral^ by Lotion (SpinART) ADAM's DISC THAT HE'S HAD FOR AWHILE BUT SUDDENLY IS LISTENING TO A LOT RECENTLY: ^Go2^ by XTC (Geffen/Virgin) ****************************************************************
------------------------------ From: "Burgess, Christopher (msx)" <BURGESSC@linelnt1.light.GE.com> Subject: An idea Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 10:54:33 -0500 Hi all, I seem to recall a few posts that intimate that Andy is online somwhere (AOL?). Am I right in that assumption? If so, perhaps we could assemble some questions to send him as an email "interview". He could mull them over and submit whatever he sees fit. Any thoughts on this? Bubbye, Chris
------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 08:15:37 -0800 From: Brian Moylan <moylan@direct.ca> Subject: Posies Hey... I'm new to Chalkhills. I've been a frantic XTC fan for about 15 years. Anyone heard the Posies? They're a band from Seattle. I first bought their CD because I read a review where the writer compared the band to XTC. Their CD's "Frosting on the Beater" and especially "Dear 23" are obviously inspired by our favourite band. Give 'em a try. Thank you for starting Chalkhills. Seems to be a well designed and maintained thingee. Brian Moylan
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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 95 12:38 EST
From: Trent Turner <0005727836@mcimail.com>
Subject: Interpretation
To the folks who are tired of the Dear God thread:
May be you slept through English :-) but the whole purpose of art is
to incite emotions in the recipient, which then requires expression itself,
inspiring yet more expression, etc. etc. Not unlike a chain reaction,
nicht wahr?
The fact that Dear God incites so much rhetoric on the part of
us faithful Chalkhillians demonstrates its tremendous worth as a work
of art.
Art is supposed to reach into your soul & feel something, anything.
Please don't disparage those who feel compelled to share (Spill Guts)
how the song makes them feel, how it relates to their own experiences and
beliefs, that was the point of the song, or Andy would have kept it as part
of his personal repertoire.
I, too, get tired of some of the posts, especially the intolerant
ones (regardless of viewpoint), but that's why I invented the Page
Dn on my keyboard. For the most part, I enjoy reading how Dear God
makes people think. IMHO, I think more songs should be taken apart
& discussed, both subjectively & objectively.
Remember, boys & girls, no one is right, but no one is wrong.
The opinions are just that, everyone's got one & everyone's got the
right to vent, just remember to say "Excuse me!" if your venting happens
to be particularly obnoxious!
And now for something completely different, I once heard the
instrumental part of "The Man Who Sailed ..." on NPR's "All Things
Considered" during the breaks between stories. A truly refreshing break.
Finally, I don't recall any one discussing "Knuckle Down". I
feel this is a tremendously positive song. The message is delightfully
innocent and worldly at the same time, and as usual, the tune is catchy
and I can hum in for hours. This is one of the songs I used to sing
to my son to put him to sleep when he was very young.
I guess that's what I enjoy most about XTC, the songs are meaningful
and thought/conversation provoking and the music has that wonderful
pop catchiness about it that stays with you all day long.
Well that concludes the lecture for today. No more whining because
others articulate opinions, just skip 'em if you're not in the mood.
Take Care,
Trent Turner
Proverbs for Paranoids #2 You Hide, They Seek - Thomas Pynchon
For my sake won't you put those knuckles down? - Andy
------------------------------ Date: 27 Nov 1995 14:50:05 -0500 From: "Ken Salaets" <ksalaets@itic.nw.dc.us> Subject: Stoned on U.S. history From: g.giusti@area.it (Giovanni Giusti) Subject: Peter Pumpkinhead & JFK >> And the JFK movie by Oliver Stone definitely does _not_ mention >> Communists. Uh, over here, Oliver Stone is not viewed as a historian of any sort. He makes movies! That's it. K.
------------------------------ From: smcdow@arlut.utexas.edu (Stuart McDow) Subject: Re: Miscellany Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 14:08:01 -0600 (CST) >From the keyboard of Ben Gott <BENG@hotchkiss.pvt.k12.ct.us>: > > XTC SONG OF THE DAY > "The World Is Full Of Angry Young Men" Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes!!!!!!!! I must have listened to this song about 300 times over the T'anksgiving weekend. I can't get it out of my head...... that one and "Officer Blue". Anyone for a CM fan club? -- Stuart McDow Applied Research Laboratories smcdow@arlut.utexas.edu The University of Texas at Austin
------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 15:07:39 -0600 (CST) From: Erik Anderson <aa393@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca> Subject: The xTc Anthology I'm officially re-naming the xTc Video Compilation: now presenting THE xTc VIDEO ANTHOLOGY. I've begun sending out copies of the ANTHOLOGY and I figure I can get two out every day. Tapes are sent out on a first-come-first-served basis, but the stack of money orders is kind of piling up so don't worry, you'll get your copy -- it may just take a little while to get it. Be warned, though, the video and sound quality varies with each piece of footage -- it's all watchable, but it's by no means a crystal clear studio reproduction. Oh well...that's the way it goes I guess. (Makes you wonder how the media might tackle a three-part xTc documentary.) Erik Anderson
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From: Ben Gott <BENG@hotchkiss.pvt.k12.ct.us>
Subject: Ramblings
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 95 16:57:00 est
>Do any of you know any original songs by other bands that at one point in
>time you have mistaken for XTC, or that sound like XTC so much you actually
>wondered?
One of the reasons I suggested that XTC cover Elvis Costello's song "God's
Comic" is because it sounds so much like Andy's style. Additionally, many
Crash Test Dummies songs (yes, I am a fan) have Andy-lyrical influences in
them.
I went to the local (fairly largish) record store in my area, with a copy of
TD in my hand. The guys who own it are huge XTC fans, so they said they'd
order it and prominently display & play it. One of them, in fact, had his
entire XTC collection (9 or 10 CDs) stolen by his ex-next door neighbour.
Just goes to show ya...
Ben
http://www.lookup.com/Homepages/58596/home.html
XTC SONG OF THE DAY
"Hold Me My Daddy"
------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 17:15:17 -0500 Subject: Adrian Belew and John Lennon From: Rogier van Bakel <rogier@li.com> > Surely Collideascope is Andy imitating John Lennon. Check out the nasal > Liverpudlian accent. Yeah. And someone mentioned Adrian Belew as a good choice for their next producer. Then you'd have TWO John Lennon soundalikes in the studio. Check out the bridge on "I See You," from Belew's "Here" CD. That's so Lennonesque, it's eerie. I'm sure it would give Yoko the heebiejeebies. FWIW, I got a chance to ask Belew about his vocal timbres during an interview in Nashville last year (I'm a journalist for Dutch and Amerian magazines), and he said that it was the result of playing and singing in the commercial party bands in which he honed his craft: >>The cover bands I used to be in were generally more successful if we managed to sound exactly like the groups whose hit songs we were doing. So I practised until I sounded like John Lennon, or Mick Jagger, or Paul McCartney, or Roy Orbison... Actually, my favorite vocalist was Mel Blanc, the Man With A Thousand Voices. He did the voices on loads of cartoons. He literally gave voice to Daffy Duck and Bugs Bunny. Anyway, I think I must have slipped into my Lennon mode when I recorded "I See You."<< I don't think I asked Belew about his influences in a very specific way, but I'd be surprised if he didn't at least appreciate XTC a great deal. The "Here" album is very Beatlesque/XTC-ish. Rogier
------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 17:15:21 -0500 Subject: a voluntary ban, my foot From: Rogier van Bakel <rogier@li.com> >Okay that's it, the final straw!!!! >...impose a voluntary ban on all God >exists/God doesn't exist type mails. A VOLUNTARY ban? Who, exactly, spontaneously agrees to ban his/own words? Look, it doesn't matter if you take a poll. The result would still be an oppressive majority deciding to gag the minority in its midst, albeit by so-called 'democratic' means. This is the Net. Freedom rules. People can say whatever they feel they feel they have to say. If it annoys you, use your scrollbar. Not to be too confrontational, but I believe your kind of thinking is why songs like 'Books Are Burning' get written. Rogier van Bakel
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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 17:20:26 -0600
From: vanvalnc@is2.nyu.edu (Chris Van Valen)
Subject: Transformer
I read Giovanni Giusti's post in #2-40 regarding bands that on first listen
sounded like XTC, and it brought something flooding back from my
subconscious which was quickly followed by an item printed in the New York
Press (the good NY weekly).
The band I'm thinking of was called Transformer. I believe they
were from San Francisco and they came out around the time of Mummer. They
had a fairly large hi around 1983 called "(You're)Everywhere That I'm Not".
A lot of my friends thought that this was an XTC song initially. I believe
that a compilation disc of their stuff came out called "Transformations",
although I haven't seen it anywhere.
Another interesting tidbit he posted was about the Ultravox connection..
Both bands were produced by Steve Lillywhite. I'm a huge Ultravox fan, but
I never made a musical connection. Maybe Conny Plank would be a good
producer for XTC.
Ya live and learn (sometimes)
Cheers,
CV
------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 19:43:40 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Wheeler <mwheeler@gladstone.uoregon.edu> Subject: XTC Poster for sale A few weeks ago I found an XTC poster in a new music store in town. Needless to say I bought the entire stock and have four for sale. I've been trying to figure the fairest way to sell them to Chalkhillians out there. I've decided to go with the four highest bids. The poster is 36"X24" (wider than high) it is from 1981 and printed in Scotland. It features Colin, Terry, Dave, and Andy standing side by side. The picture itself is about 34"X18". Arouns the picture is a light green border with "XTC" written in the lower corner in black letters (kinda olde english letters I suppose). The posters are all in perfect condition and still sealed in plastic. I will be accepting bids between now and midnight (Pacific Standard Time) December 3. Bids need not be monetary, I'm certainly interested in expanding my XTC collection. Send bids to me at mwheeler@gladstone.uoregon.edu NOT to Chalkhills. Mike Wheeler mwheeler@gladstone.uoregon.edu
------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 22:59:21 -0500 From: acurtis@capecod.net (Al Curtis) Subject: Re: Fegmania list Not surprising to see XTC at the top of the list. What surprised me was the number of bands/ musicians who I count among my faves. The most notable being Richard Thompson and Tom Verlaine neither of whom, amazingly, have a newsgroup or mailing list online. Granted, T.V. is rather obscure these days but Thompson's notoriety is at an all time high. Here's where it ties in: In a recent issue of Interview Magazine, J. Mascus of Dinosaur, Jr. was interviewing Richard Thompson. Mascus remarked that his girlfriend's favorite musicians were he (Thompson) and Andy Partridge. To which Thompson replied, "Proud to be mentioned in the same sentence." It got me thinking. There has been talk in the list lately about a producer for the next XTC album. I nominate Mitchell Froom who has done fantastic work on R.T.'s last 4 albums (with drummer Dave Mattacks, BTW) as well as with Crowded House and keyboards with Elvis Costello. I submit that his studio savvy seems to bring out the best in all involved. Whaddya think? You're only lit once....
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Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 17:15:11 +1300
From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan)
Subject: Lennonism/Sonny Jim/Cockpit/Tone Painting
>>Surely Collideascope is Andy imitating John Lennon. Check out the nasal
>>Liverpudlian accent.
>I think it's a pastiche of `I'm Only Sleeping' off the BTL's `Revolver'
>LP. Certainly the best John Lennon impression I've heard.
Wandering dangerously off-topic, but check out Adrian Belew's singing on
King Crimson's "Walking on Air", or Robyn Hitchcock's song "Somewhere
Apart" for Lennonisation. BTW, the Hitchcock list (Fegmaniax!) have just
completed a poll of subscribers' most popular other artists - and XTC came
out tops!
>And speaking of Sunny Jim, which I did in the subject line and Andy does
>in "1000 Umbrellas": who or what is Sunny Jim? I've spent 9 years thinking
>it's some English children's book character I've never heard of but I
>could be wrong. Maybe it's just another name for ol' man sun himself.
Sonny Jim is Bud. By which I mean if an Englishman says "Listen here, sonny
Jim", it's the same as an American saying "Listen here, Bud". In other
words, it's a general form address to someone you don't know the name of -
and a slightly angry or antagonistic one at that.
---
>I believe Andy is describing a potential future world in women have taken
>over in order to improve the world. ("the girl tribe are growing up and
>filling the world full with a new soul. to get so far they payed a high
>toll....") In order to survive, women have isolated themselves from men
>("oh! look what is this creature down in this hole? well, my daughter,
>this strange being was once abundant upon this earth....some say they were
>called 'men' " )
Am I the only one to see similarities in this to the HG Wells book "The
Time Machine", where the human descendents on the surface of the earth have
built a new and beautifl way of living, whereas down in the holes lived the
grotesque ape-men, our other descendents?
---
>the music is certainly worth more study! I'm much more at home with this
>concept than with lyrical analysis. To whoever suggested intervals and
>math: I have nothing currently to offer in specifics, but I'll explore and
>Email you or post here if it seems relevant.
this sort of stuff is discussed occasionally on the ambient music list.
It's pretty interesting as far as I'm concerned, but I don't know how many
you'd get interested in it here. Sadly.
In the meantime Chalkhillians, How about 'tone painting'? That's where a
melodic (harmonic, timbral, etc.) device suggests (or is perhaps suggested
by) a _simultaneous_ lyrical phrase.
you mean like: "Church bells soft-ly chi-yi-yime!"
James
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------------------------------ From: DAMIAN FOULGER <SPXDLF@cardiff.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 09:43:56 GMT Subject: Censorship. I wrote: > >From: DAMIAN FOULGER <SPXDLF@cardiff.ac.uk> > >Subject: God speak. > > > >Okay that's it, the final straw!!!! > >...impose a voluntary ban on all God > >exists/God doesn't exist type mails. And was replied to with: > Sorry, but I refuse to have anything to do with censoring this newsgroup. > When I encounter a topic I don't find interesting, I simply scroll down the > page to the next message. I agree totally with this. We shouldn't censor this list at all, but I do think that perhaps people should refrain from mailing stuff that is boring/irrelevant/old-news/etc.. What the poll that I have tried to instigate is about is to find out if a large majority of Chalkhillians are thoroughly cheesed-off with the GOD topic. If this turns out to be the case then it is of course up to each and every individual to make up their own mind. Censorship - BAD. Self-restraint based upon knowledge - GOOD. Dames TWD (Life is good in the greenhouse:XTC) (You told me you saw Jesus, but I could only see a tree: Amber)
------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 09:20:09 -0600 From: vanvalnc@is2.nyu.edu (Chris Van Valen) Subject: Errata Hi again I was wrong about that S.F. band from 1983. They were not "Transformer", but instead they were Translator and the compilation album is entitled "Translations". Sorry about that. CV
------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 09:54:00 -0600 From: Scott Taylor <staylor@sky.net> Subject: Another Fab Four/Fab Three Connection >>From: BugRoom@aol.com >>Subject: Oops, said the 7-letter word. Only twice. Sorry. >> >>---> "Anyone but Jeff Lynne! I was very disappointed to hear >>he produced the new B****es' material!" <--- > >Me too. Everything he touches somehow "turns to ELO." Once I get past >that, I find it to be a worthy tune. Was anyone else besides me amazed at the prescience of John Wesley Harding on his track "When the Beatles Hit America", from Sire Records' _Just Say Da_ sampler, circa 1990? For those of you who aren't familiar with it, it's Harding's fantasy narrative of the Fab Four reunion of 1993 (he only missed it by two years). The really astounding part comes when he forecasts that their new material is produced by Jeff Lynne and that "it sounded quite a lot like ELO ... or REM ... or FYC* ... or XTC ... it sounded a LOT like XTC**." [* This was recorded back when "She Drives Me Crazy" was on all the earth's radios every three minutes -- you forgot about these guys, didn't you?] [** And, yes, XTC was mentioned twice to drive the point home. JWH must have been listening to _Oranges & Lemons_.] Back to the original point, though: Nothing would sicken me more than to hear XTC ELOized. Given Andy's temperament with the likes of Todd Rundgren in the driver's seat, however, I think this is one pairing we shall never see. How about Ian Broudie? ST staylor@sky.net (Listening intently for The Three Wise Men while mall shopping this Christmas season.)
------------------------------ From: RandyXpher@aol.com Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 11:21:09 -0500 Subject: JFK and stuff >JFK was not well liked by the right-wing American establishment. He was not >liked by the KKK or by the various lobbies that infest American >politics. And he was definitely _not_ killed by Commies, was he? >At least that's how the legend goes in my part of Europe. His >confrontations with Krushev are not that much remembered over here. >Actually, he's seen as one of the most "liberal" and less anti-leftist of >U.S. Presidents. And the JFK movie by Oliver Stone definitely does _not_ >mention Communists. By "Commies", I think the earlier poster was referring to Fidel Castro, who was one of the earliest suspects in conspiracy theories, as he had an ax to grind over the Bay Of Pigs fiasco. Altho Fidel is more Socialist than Communist, I reckon. Of course, Kruschev is about the only person *not* mentioned as a possible conspirator in JFK. The legend as it goes over here these days is that Kennedy was killed as part of a Mafia/CIA led operation that every living person in the US *except* Kennedy was in on. I myself am keeping mum... >IMHO Andy was referring to right-wing fanatics and racists. IMHO Andy was referring to fanatics of all wings. Anyone who attempts to force their political/religious beliefs on others... >My but what a serious bunch of people you are! >I think there's a sort of heresy in trying to work out >the chords etc to the songs. I knew I'd burn in Hell for something, but I didn't think it would be *that*. But if you'd ever tried to work out XTC songs on guitar, you'd know it's less like heresy, and more like self-flagellation, or maybe like the old hair shirt thing. >XTC should be exporting their production talents.... >teach Paul McC to write songs again... Elvis Costello tried, and it didn't work. But I'd love to see them produce more often, esp. Mr. Gregory, who I suspect would do a fine job... >I still don't know why XTC aren't the richest and most famous band in >the world. Now there's the question of the day! Re: Sexism, I think Andy has always had a bad case of the Madonna/Whore thing when it comes to women. Usually, he treats them with respect (I always read "Cockpit" as saying that women *had* to take over the world because men had flown it into the ground). But check "Omnibus", for example, to see Andy glorify women totally as sex objects. And read his comments about that song in interviews, where he comes up with the concept of a "church of women" (which he's developed into a new song, no?). And BTW, I always assumed Pink Thing was about Andy's member. And I liked it for that. If 10,000 metalheads can sing about their manhood, why not our boy? RC
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