Chalkhills Digest Volume 3, Issue 26
Date: Tuesday, 12 November 1996
Chalkhills Digest, Volume 3, Number 26
Tuesday, 12 November 1996
Today's Topics:
Countdown to Criticism: Party Time!
a dream....
Anthology III and such
Various and sundry
On Dear God sucking, and a request (one of the millions I send....)
Chalkhills and Kate Bush
Black and fossil ocean vast
Re: Rutles
Re: Seal
Dummies Defense....sort of
Andy Partridge & My Mom: one year apart
Acts of terrible come from manlike creatures
Glenn McDonald: Journalist, or FRAUD?
Beaten to the Punch, Judy?
Wages of fear
The Horse Flies
Atmosphear To Ocean/Skylacking/Ballet For A Rainy Day
Countdown To Christmas Party Time
6 Degrees, Nihilon
e major sixth and the end of pop music as we know it
Help on live XTC
long rambling post (James paints JHB)
Rock over London
Chalkhills' Children
Stormy Monday Rants Again
Dear George Burns
Assorted fruit flavors
chalkhills children
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---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 11 Nov 96 09:20:11 PST From: "MARK HEGGEN" <mark_heggen@studio.disney.com> Message-Id: <9610118477.AA847733180@ccmsmtp2.wds.disney.com> Subject: Countdown to Criticism: Party Time! Dear Chalkies: About "Countdown to Christmas Party Time"--does anyone besides me see this song as a SATIRE? It's like a cartoon of all those hip, Xmas office parties where everybody who has had to put on their straight business faces with each other all year suddenly "get funky"--or as funky as most whitish corporate offices ever get anyway! They dress up the file cabinets in tinsely garland, unload the scotch from the drawers, wear snazzy jackets and slinky black dresses and pretend they are getting down to beat the band. The guys start telling those unabashed dictionary jokes from the backs of Playboy centerfolds, and the gals are telling boff stories and blowing champagne out their noses. By the time everyone's had a few, it's close to midnight, the ties are loose, and the horrible disco music comes on, and executives are sah-wingin'! And what might they be listening to, if they could have their perfect, corporate, Christmas, disco holiday dance tune? Of course. -Mark
------------------------------ Message-Id: <v01540b00aead0c01855c@[144.58.3.44]> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 10:07:32 -0700 From: kevinc@boardwalk.net (Kevin Collins) Subject: a dream.... This is too funny- Last night I was dreaming that there was a new 4th member to xtc and an interviewer came around and it was up to the new guy to do all the talking, and also explain why new music was taking so long and more was just around the corner. Oh... I guess I should mention that since this *was* a dream, I was the 4th member. I woke up right after about 4 this morning and couldn't get back to sleep. And this came from gondola@deltanet.com (E.B.): >I never understand why Ram is so maligned. Another Ram fan here. >Of course, Paul/John also have lotsa shining moments (Anth 3).... ...IMO one of them being John making fun of Paul's Teddy Boy by doing a square dance call... God he had the wickedest and sharpest toungue! Adios
------------------------------ Message-ID: <n1364401216.67051@gateway.itic.nw.dc.us> Date: 11 Nov 1996 13:00:21 -0400 From: "Ken Salaets" <ksalaets@itic.nw.dc.us> Subject: Anthology III and such Add "Not Guilty" to the list of gems from George. A lot more edge than his solo version. Andy has 40 songs for the next album?! How many demo discs and bootlegs does that translate into? And a mere 43? He wears it well.
------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 20:34:57 +0100 (CET) From: James Isaacs <jisaacs1@aixterm1.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> Subject: Various and sundry Message-Id: <Pine.A32.3.91.961111202158.21365C-100000@aixterm2.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> First, I must defend "Officer Blue", if not for its content, then at least in its birth in my ears. I first heard "OB" on October 20, 1990. How do I remember the date, 6 years later? It was the greatest day of my life, even to this day. On this day I: Heard "Officer Blue" playing over the speaker system of Wizards, a very good record store in Cincinnati. I thought it sounded very familiar, yet strange beyond belief. That went off, and on came "Scissor Man". I was hearing an import version of "Rang and Bone", at that point brand new. I ran (repeat:ran) to the counter and said, "What is that please, let me have it!" Sure enough, they had just received R&BB and Explode Together. I bought both, then headed next door to Bogart's, where I saw the best concert I have ever seen, Robyn Hitchcock solo. After the concert, there was an announcement that the reds had won the World Series. All this in one day. Every time I hear OFficer Blue, I think back to this day. That is what many songs do- put you back in time to a place, a day, a different person. On the Rutles front, I have the original Rutles CD, and I always put "Let's be Natural" with "Dear Prudence". On the Lennon/McCartney front, I think John was the better songwriter in the early years, but Paul overshadowed John later on. The Anthology series bears this out. It is pretty much unfair to slam Paul for the 70s, or the 80s, even, since he did what he did best, craft good pop songs-something out of fashion, unless you are from Seattle. I certainly do not rush to hear "Wings at the Speed of Sound", but I did in 1976, when I thought those songs were really cool. Nowadays, I wish he would drop the machine-in-the-cat-brain songs, and just sing Helter Skelter in concert, but we can't always get what we want. Not that I am for machines in cat's brains. This is probably my biggest post in over a year. How about that. James
------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 12:50:17 -0600 (CST) From: AMANDA OWENS <ACOEA@jazz.ucc.uno.edu> Subject: On Dear God sucking, and a request (one of the millions I send....) Message-id: <01IBPXLKAOOY90HHW3@jazz.ucc.uno.edu> Dear God doesn't *suck*. It blows! (I'm just kidding of course.) To each his own, but I think Dear God is a gem, even though I disagree %110 withthe content, the music is incredible. So many Chalkhills, so little mail space!!!! Alright, my request....I'm still searching for XTC videos that I have yet to see. Anyone out there have these videos.... Mayor of Simpleton King For a Day By golly I know there's more, but I don't know what vids XTC has out other than those and the ones I have. (I have Peter Pumpkinhead, all the videos from Look Look, Funk Pop a Roll, Love On a Farmboy's Wages, Wonderland, Human Alchemy, Dear God, All You Pretty Girls, In Loving Memory of a Name, Beating of Hearts, and I can't remember what else.) Oh, I forgot one I don't have....Grass. Anyways, if anyone has the above three or any I didn't mention b/c I A. Forgot or B. Didn't know they existed, please e-mail me and we'll see what we can work out. Thanks a mil, Amanda "One touch from me and all limbs go nyuhh."-Andy on Live 105 FM PS-After reading the stuff on Bungalow and council estates, I think I'll go homeand actually try to listen to the song without having to stop if halfway through out of boredom. Let's see what happens.....
------------------------------ Message-Id: <199611112054.PAA17815@gate3.fmr.com> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 15:12 -0500 (EST) From: "Sawyer, Keith" <Keith.Sawyer@FMR.Com> Subject: Chalkhills and Kate Bush particle@servtech.com (Chaos Harlequin) beckons: >>12) Chalkhills and children - Kate Bush >I am having difficulty imagining that...I'm trying to think of a good >XTC song for Kate to cover, but I'm drawing a blank. Keith? :) She *does* already have the fake train sound-effects from 'Cloudbusting' to do 'Train Running Low on Soul Coal' ... Truthfully, I'd vote for 'Collideascope' - she could expand the original vocals and would probably transform the song into a jaunty but haunting piece. coming forth when called upon, keith "How will I know, in a global sideshow, when to listen?" -Kowanko, 'Modern Daze'
------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 16:43:34 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199611112143.QAA09461@cyber1.servtech.com> From: Joshua Hall-Bachner <particle@servtech.com> Subject: Black and fossil ocean vast >If it's pretension you want how about "Then she appeared". The >references within always make me smile at Andy's audacity, especially >in the context of a bubblegumish pop song. That's exactly what puts this song ahead of "The Disappointed" in my book -- the lyrics are so "sappy" yet they work in all these obscure and unlikely literary and other references. If you listen to the original demo version, you can hear that this is a departure from the original intent -- the first lyrics are much less "pretensious" (as you call them) and more silly and, well, 60's-ish. For example "Then she appeared -- like a note struck from the Liberty Bell." >I'd love to see a cover band to a medly of Ball >and Chain with Penny Lane. Hmmmm...what an idea. Which would be first? >Marvin rocks!!! What is that wonderful weapon that Bugs stole? "The >[something] Intergalactic Space Modulator???" :) Aaaah, my specialty: rattling off Marvin Martian's weapon: The Illudium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulator. (Emphasis on the word "Space," please.) Marvin simply must be my favorite Loony Tune of all time; he's just so funny. I will be *very* disappointed if he doesn't have a part in "Space Jam." :( >The absolute worst XTC song has got to be 'Monkey Woman'. Sure it's rare >and most have never heard it but take my word for it. That song is *baaaaaad.* Mitch, can you make me a copy? :) >I am pleased to say that in the past month I have done a number of things >that I am sure will cause me great anguish in later years. I agree with Simon here...if you haven't done at least one thing in the past month that makes you want to tell yourself, "Bad dog! BAAAAAAAAAD dog! No biscuit!" then I'm not sure you're human. >dave gregory is a great guitarist, and his contributions to the lads' work >are always spot on. you notice we always attack Colin's lyrics or Andy's >voice but no one has much to say negative about dave. that's because he's >beyond reproach. I finally got a copy of his version of Jimi's "Third Stone From The Sun" this week (thanks, Troy!) and I'm enjoying it quite a bit...it's very well done, IMHO. >Does anyone else think "Pet Name" is one >of the best songs they've heard recently? It's amazing that the band who became famous for songs like "Toddler Hiway" has advanced so far. Many people on the TMBG newsgroup seem to dislike it, but I'm quite fond of it...both the cool soul-y piano and the lyrics (for those who don't know, they speak of a couple who don't really get to know each other until *after* they've been together for a while)... >(1) R.E.M. rules and anybody who thinks otherwise has only heard >"Green", "Out of Time" or "Monster"; I really do not understand what everybody's problem with R.E.M. is. I have an intense desire to put together a tape of their most "different" songs and send it to everybody who attacks them...Feeling Gravitys Pull; Underneath The Bunker; Wolves, Lower; The Wrong Child; Winged Mammal Theme...R.E.M. are a good band and have continued to make great music despite their huge success. >I'm not going to use that boy's name as a verb. Awwww.... >The prevailing story of this brilliant artist's untimely death is that he >died of auto-erotic asphyxiation. What, exactly, *is* "auto-erotic asphyxiation"? The only other time I've heard of it was a joke on the X-Files once. :) Josh, you'll need love to guide your fragile heart /---------------------------Joshua Hall-Bachner---------------------------\ | particle@servtech.com http://www.servtech.com/public/particle/ | | "I won't die until I'm dead." -- They Might Be Giants, "On The Drag" | \-------------------------- Eschew Obfuscation ---------------------------/
------------------------------ Message-Id: <v01540b07aead41c1d804@[204.254.68.27]> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 14:01:25 -0700 From: gondola@deltanet.com (E.B.) Subject: Re: Rutles >From: box@linux.nemesis.com.au > >Do you [or anyone] know what the song 'Let's be Natural' is based >on? That song has to be more beautiful than anything The Beatles >did the whole time they were recording. Well, isn't it a fairly blatant ripoff of "Dear Prudence?" (With a little of "Let It Be" tossed in.) And yes, it IS a beautiful song. There are several legitimately pretty Rutles melodies: "Doubleback Alley," "Cheese & Onions," "Love Life," "Another Day," "Ouch," "I Must Be In Love".... No wonder Beatles fans have so much affection for this record! Still, I ain't a-never gonna say "Let's Be Natural" is prettier than any Beatles song...come on, get real! ;) I still don't have the new Rutles disc yet, but I'll be getting it sometime this week.... GB
------------------------------ Message-Id: <v01540b06aead3f794ede@[204.254.68.27]> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 14:02:18 -0700 From: gondola@deltanet.com (E.B.) Subject: Re: Seal >"On the earlier records it was me panicking at being in the limelight >and grasping for a style that ended up a cross between Buddy Holly >and a wounded seal," he laughs. Damn, first the Chryssie Hynde/Nureyev comment about Dave, now this! That Andy certainly has a way with imagery! :) GB
------------------------------ Message-ID: <3287AC7F.338F@paonline.com> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 17:45:19 -0500 From: Patrick Adamek <Padamek9@paonline.com> Subject: Dummies Defense....sort of I too saw a show of the Dummies opening up for Costello, and I wouldn't have been there if it weren't for the Dummies. I'm a long time Elvis fan but was more interested (that night) in seeing what the Dummies would be like on stage. It was a bonus to me to find out that they are big XTC fans. It seems to me that some people take the Dummies way too seriously. Their appeal to me lies in their simplicity and the way they portray that they are having fun in their music, all the while communicating something substative (this also part of the reason I started listening to XTC) When I go out with artists They talk about language and the cubists and the dadaists And I try to catch their meanings And keep up with all of the martinis I don't know which should be my favorite paintings Those are great lyrics set to a catchy musical line...good enough for me! This is a harmless but entertaining band and that's where it should end. Patrick -- MZ
------------------------------ Message-Id: <v01540b00aead5636ffd5@[146.6.72.31]> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 17:09:22 -0600 From: h.h.name@mail.utexas.edu (Spiritual Generation, etc.) Subject: Andy Partridge & My Mom: one year apart >I had to leave their May 24th New Orleans concert early so that I wouldn't >have to sit through Elvis Costello. And I wasn't the only one. Then you probably missed a FUCKING INCREDIBLE show. Elvis Costello is still a performer beyond compare. There are so many artists who THINK they're putting on a show, who THINK they're connecting with the audience, when all they do is stand around, stare at their Converse and coax feedback noise out of their guitars, little caring whether the audience is even there. Elvis ROCKED, and that's all there is to it. And seeing Mr. Bass himself, Bruce Thomas, in person was also not to be missed. But congratulations, you missed out. Andy's as old as my mom. He's not an old rock star! Oh man, I sure feel sorry for one Rebecca L. Newton. I don't think "Dear God" is the be-all-end-all of songwriting, but "worst song on Skylarking"? I'm gonna stand back and watch the bloodbath on this one... >This is my only point -- that different, unique >chord progressions are good, but only when they "work." Sure, but in the words of TMBG: "Who can say what's wrong or right? Nobody can." I don't think your argument holds water. I *like* the chord! There's my proof. >I had a bit of trouble extracting "Que Cera, Cera" from that. Or "que sera, sera", for that matter. >Definitely, but 'Metal Detector' and 'The Bells Are Ringing' are to >die for IMHO. But I'm more of a John Linnell fan, so there you go. Very good, yes. Actually I think the whole album is good, with the exception of "Your Own Worst Enemy" (one of the most half-baked songs they've ever done) and "S-e-x-x-y" which is just bad. >1) Is it my imagination or is Andy's voice hoarse on the Drums and >Wireless version of Jason and the Argonauts? Why would this be - this >recording is post-touring days, no? Or was it just at the end of a >long recording session? BTW, the CM & TC rhythm section is brilliant >on this track! Dunno, but I do know that Colin sings along on the chorus. >I never understand why Ram is so maligned. :( Most people seem to >think Band On The Run or Tug Of War is McCartney's best solo album, but >both those records sound terribly dated to me today (esp. Band On The >Run). And how good can any album be that contains "Ebony And Ivory?" Pretty damn, actually. Like I said in an earlier post, McCartney is a pop craftsman. Nowhere in his solo work does this come together more than in "Band On The Run" and "Tug of War". The triumvirate of "Band on the Run", "Jet" (perhaps my favorite solo McCartney song), and "Bluebird" is simply brilliant. And "Take it Away" has always been one of my favorite McCartney songs. But not to malign "Ram", I love "Ram"! I would put it up there with...oh, "Band on the Run" and "Tug of War"!!! Jason "Putting all reason aside you exchange what you got for a thing that's hypnotic and strange" - TMBG
------------------------------ Message-Id: <199611112316.AAA06217@utrecht.knoware.nl> From: "Mark Strijbos" <mmello@knoware.nl> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 01:55:30 +0000 Subject: Acts of terrible come from manlike creatures Dear Chalkies, A couple of things I noticed in the Andy P. Birthday Issue (nice gesture, John!). First JBH treated us to his opinion on Drums And Wireless > I dunno...I've heard about half of it, and IMHO most of the tracks are > either too similar to the album versions to be worthwhile, or just > poor attempts to reach what they did on the album. Sorry. Don't you think you really should get the CD and listen to it for a couple of weeks before you start putting it down in public? I mean, this is a mailing list for those who like XTC although the recent flurry of posts re. "really kewl groups you will like" does make me wonder :) The NTIOH version f.i. is amazing - reason enough to buy the CD. Hell, if you're an XTC fan you should already have it! If you like all those demos so much, surely you must appreciate these alternate, condensed versions of superb songs? Anyway, I am listening to the D&W CD right now (celebrating AP's birthday) and it is quite brilliant in places and always interesting/entertaining. If you all the 'regular' albums and compilations but want more, this CD ( and the BBC Live CD ) is a MUST HAVE. Then I was almost shocked to see AMANDA post: > I had to leave their May 24th New Orleans concert early so that I > wouldn't have to sit through Elvis Costello. Terrible...you know, there are people who went to see the Police back in the early 80ties and saw XTC supporting them but didn't take any notice. Now they know they made a terrible mistake... I guess in about a year or ten you will regret your decision to ignore a major artist as Costello. Finally, to beef up the XTC content of this post: Does anyone know anything about the set of XTC buttons/badges that were produced & sold by Paris Productions? I have recently received 4 buttons (thanks Keith!) and I suspect they are from that set. Anyone have any info/pictures? yours in ecstasy on this Big Day, Mark Strijbos at The Little Lighthouse http://utopia.knoware.nl/~mmello/index.html ===> Mark's useless XTC quote for today <== There's no youth culture only masks they let you rent
------------------------------ Message-Id: <v01540b00aead63c12e66@[146.6.72.31]> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 17:22:31 -0600 From: h.h.name@mail.utexas.edu (Spiritual Generation, etc.) Subject: Glenn McDonald: Journalist, or FRAUD? Just read that review of "Fossil Fuel" in The War Against Silence. To sum up: "Hey, what a good compilation. I can tolerate all these songs 'cause they kind of remind me of something else, but for the most part, XTC are a crap band!" That has got to be the single worst (in terms of journalism) reviews I've ever read! "Flashes of brilliance", indeed! Glenn McDonald: what a moron! Grrr. Jason
------------------------------ Date: 12 NOV 96 09:55:29 DST From: PCulnane@dca.gov.au Subject: Beaten to the Punch, Judy? Message-ID: <0000xnlfdnnl.0000wwiguqmu@dca.gov.au> Ha Simon ya beat me by about 30 mins ya Wiley Waggarian! ;^) Readers who may have found my posting in 'Hills #25 even more incoherent than usual - it's because John Relph did the obvious thing and edited it. That's because it was identical to Simon Knight's transcript, posted earlier that morn. It was a good article though and accompanied by a 1/4 page shot of the 3, circa "Nonsuch". Here's another couple of those XtC-related sightings that are beginning to proliferate: 1) House band Tomorrow People on ABC-TV's "Recovery" show on 2 Nov, intro'd with a brief snatch of "Are You Receiving Me?" 2) There's a great Canadian band called Odds that I've seen recommended in these pages before and I would second and indeed third any such recommendation to Chalkies, that they seek out Odds with haste. They've just released a new album "Nest", and this following remark appeared in a review of the CD, by the moderator of the Oddslist, Kevin Gandel: Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 10:29:07 From: Kevin Gandel (Oddsman@wam.umd.edu) Subject: Indepth Overview of _Nest_ and music influences/Dream Setlist Hello Gang, How's everybody doing out there in Oddsworld? Well...I got _Nest_ in the mail yesterday....and I'm delirious from the pop-fix I'm receiving from this album!!! ...... "Hurt Me" screams XTC to me. The chorus, when the background vocals head off in the higher stratosphere, that just reminds me of _Orange's and Lemons_ soo much. Even some of _Skylarking_. Chills...I get chills listening to this song... Anyway, bye now, From but one of many ardent cadet reporters in planet Oz, P@ul
------------------------------ Message-Id: <199611112257.JAA05550@warchives.riv.csu.edu.au.> From: "Simon Knight" <sknight@warchivegw.riv.csu.edu.au> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 08:47:15 +0000 Subject: Wages of fear JHB, (for it was he), wrote: >-- in Wages, XTC do *not* follow the dissonant chord with a >resolving one; the resulting dissonant ending leaves a bad taste in >my mouth. This is my only point -- that different, unique chord >progressions are good, but only when they "work." "Wages" ending is *not* dissonant! It's an E6 chord! It's only an added C# onto an E major triad! Nothing is clashing. Think of it as a C#m7 chord (one of my favourite chords), it makes the notes evenly spaced and you'll see what i mean. A dissonant chord might have a G or a C note added, something that conflicted. I'd understand if it was a "scary" augmented chord or something, but it's common enough i can't see why it jars with you so much. It's not even that unique or different - lots of songs end like this. (Isn't it called something like going into the "relative minor"?) They do it in Disney songs! My sister does it all the time in her songs because it's something she loves about certain Beatles songs - which is probably where Andy pinched it from too. I'm glad it doesn't "resolve" in the classical sense. I can't think of anything more boring that the big "Ah...men...". BTW, count me in as someone else who loves Go2. Dave always says Andy is wrong about dismissing those first two albums, and i agree. I love Go2 even more than D&W.
------------------------------ Message-ID: <c=AU%a=_%p=JDEAUNZ%l=MEL_SERVER-961112015136Z-28@mel_server.jde.com.au> From: Paul Haines <Hainesp@melbourne.jde.com.au> Subject: The Horse Flies Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 11:51:36 +1000 Re Patrick's: >Another band to check out: The Horse Flies. Does anyone know what every >happened to them? This band turned up in sale bins all over NZ for $5 a cd. Being a cheap bastard I thought I'd give it a listen before shelling out the cash. I didn't shell out. Haines, kiwi in Oz
------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 16:40:22 -0800 Message-Id: <199611120040.QAA24557@barley.adnc.com> From: studio seventeen productions <ambient@adnc.com> Subject: Atmosphear To Ocean/Skylacking/Ballet For A Rainy Day M Padg wrote: >I found Atmosphear to Ocean waiting upon my return. Nice packaging Ian. The >highlights of Skylacking include: the *nature* sounds on John Neil's >Summer's Cauldron, Dave Stafford's gorgeous synth work on Ballet for a >Rainy Day and of course Father John's Another Aerostar. This is so nice, and I am touched and honored that a (until now) complete stranger would enjoy my version of "Ballet For A Rainy Day". (So: "M Padg"...thanks!!!!). However, I must immediately state that there are NO SYNTHESIZERS whatsoever utilized in the creation of the track. I am primarily a guitarist (although curiously my second instrument is synthesizer),and this track consists of four energy bow guitar parts and one stereo vocal. Many, many times I've had people mistake the ebow for a synth...it's easy enough to do I suppose! I learned the track on piano, practicing it for days a la the album version. then, when recording the final version, I deconstructed EACH CHORD (so if i were to play a G chord, one ebow would play G, one would play B and one would play D) so I recorded first the root note of each chord (with a rough vocal guide) then the third and finally the fifth. the fourth ebow provided the "solo" after the bridge. One of the most difficult projects I've ever undertaken, and probably the very last cover version I will ever do. The stress of trying to emulate something so beautiful nearly drove me to distraction...not an easy song to play or sing. back to my loops!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! dave at studio seventeen 173451681734516817345168173451681734516817345168 * * * * * * I'll be downstairs if you need me. I'll still be * * downstairs if you DON'T need me. * * (Mr. Blint, Consequences/Godley & Creme) * * * * visit: http:www.adnc.com/web/ambient/index.html seventeen: the ambient music page 173451681734516817345168173451681734516817345168
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From: Paul Haines <Hainesp@melbourne.jde.com.au>
Subject: Countdown To Christmas Party Time
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 11:59:10 +1000
Re Stephen Varga's:
>I haven't seen many positive comments regarding Countdown to Christmas,
Do you know why?
Not wishing to cause offense, but I probably will, this song is absolute
shit.
I HATE this song. It is the only XTC song I can't listen to (which
equates to the only XTC song I don't like.) ('Thanks For Christmas'
however, although completely over-the-top sugar-sweet and all, I just
love).
Haines, kiwi in Oz
------------------------------ Message-Id: <v03007800aead759ddaa2@[207.77.26.48]> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 19:53:46 -0500 From: Ira Lieman <aym@axe.intercall.com> Subject: 6 Degrees, Nihilon Jason of Austin TX wrote: >[P.S.- as a little aside here, the bassist on TMBG's new album >"Factory Showroom" is none other than Graham Maby who used to >play with Joe Jackson (hey, maybe we can start a little game >called "Six Degrees of XTC"...?!)] You freakin' (oops, sorry...fuckin') read my mind! I was thinking about mentioning this on this list but I was at work, my office network went down, and I was engaged in otherwise unpleasant mental masturbation on Microsoft Excel. Work is hell. Anyway, I was *GOING* to say that at the TMBG concert I went to I pleasantly described the Graham Maby -> Joe Jackson -> XTC link, the Brian Doherty -> David Yazbek -> XTC link, and the TMBG -> XTC link. Notice everything kinda links thru Testimonial Dinner...but still. Anyway I was thinking about all of this, and I am SURE that everyone's within oh between about 6 and 8 degrees of XTC. Let's try some out: Um...no, I'll leave that up to you. But Graham Maby ROCKED!!! He really did. Him and Steve Nieve of the Attractions are two of the best musicians on the planet. Anyone want to put together a nonpartisan "best musicians" list? Well, also, I was listening to Black Sea at work today. (Glad that while I engage in the aforementioned mental masturbation, I can play my favorite CDs) I made a point to listen carefully to "Travels in Nihilon" and I *STILL* don't like it. I'd rather listen to Coolio. So, my least favorite XTC songs: "Travels In Nihilon," "Here Comes President Kill Again," "Day In, Day Out," and "Season Cycle." That's all for me. -ira "We made little Graham promise us he'd be a good boy..."
------------------------------ From: ERIC DAY <ERICDAY@diamondmm.com> Subject: e major sixth and the end of pop music as we know it Date: Mon, 11 Nov 96 17:18:00 PST Message-ID: <3287D274@mailgate.diamondmm.com> >>However (and I really mean no offense), I what you're looking for is >>"proper" harmonic cadences and predictible chord changes, I wouldn't >>think you'd find XTC very appealing. >For any chord progression, there are certainly >several ways to resolve the series "properly"; there are also a number >of ways not to. Many musicians use this purposely in their >music...however, when they do, they usually follow the dissonant chord >with a different one to "resolve" the series. (This does not have to >be the "predictable" one, just one that fits into the series...) This >is my point here -- in Wages, XTC do *not* follow the dissonant chord >with a resolving one; the resulting dissonant ending leaves a bad >taste in my mouth. Obviously, this is fairly subjective territory. However, I tend to reserve the term "dissonance" for a rather specific harmonic phenomenon. I won't dispute your feeling that the final chord of "Farmboy's Wages" sounds unresolved, but I would caution against calling it dissonant. The song is clearly in the key of E major, and the final chord (E6) reenforces this nicely (obviously IMNSHO). The presence of the 6th tone, although adding complexity to the harmony, is a quite common device in pop music. It can be found in the works of Cole Porter, the Beatles, Elvis Costello, and countless others. There's certainly *more* harmonic tension in that E6 than there would be in a cadence to the tonic major triad, but I think calling it "dissonant" tends to render the term almost meaningless. nitpickingly, Eric
------------------------------ From: KENMONK@aol.com Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 20:46:21 -0500 Message-ID: <961111204620_1383958011@emout17.mail.aol.com> Subject: Help on live XTC I have seen two different live XTC cd's in my local record shop. One being Drums and Wireless and the other being XTC Live in Concert on Windsong. Any input on the merits of these and which one is most essential. They have songs in common with one being a concert by the BBC and the other also BBC recordings but I have never read a word about them as far as quality, inspired performances, etc.
------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 15:16:49 +1300 (NZDT) Message-Id: <v01540b03aeae44557193@[139.80.228.164]> From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: long rambling post (James paints JHB) >On Barry Andrews.....in the CDNow XTC section, it reports that Barry was >once a member of King Crimson....I was not aware of this....misinformation >perhaps? Barry was never in King Crimson. He did tour with Fripp's sometime band the League of Gentlemen (their retrospective live album Thrang Thrang Gozinbulx should be released about now, so check it out!), and toured with them during April-November 1980. LoG consisted of Fripp, Andrews, Sara Lee and Jonny Toobad (Toobad was replaced by Kevin Wilkinson during November). The League put out one, self-titled, album (other than the recently released Thrang...) - sadly only parts of it have appeared on CD, along with parts of Fripp's album God Save the King. This tour and album were released during a time whenthe early 1970s incarnation of King Crimson had ceased to exist, and it was not until some time after the demise of the League that Fripp decided to form the band Discipline with Adrian Belew, Tony Levin and Bill Bruford, a band which soon changed its name to King Crimson. >If you like XTC, you'll also like... well, I've grown to like Ocean Colour Scene's "Moseley Shoals" album lately. A bit "Blur" or "Oasis"-y, perhaps, but fun - "Policemen & Pirates" is a great wee tune. And New Zealanders the Muttonbirds are about to release their third album - the first in particular is catchy but weird and well worth a listen. Then again everyone here knows by now that I'm a fan of New Zealand music. Which is why I'm not even going to bother mentioning the likes of the Chills, Crowded House or the Verlaines :) How about a compromise though - an American band with a New Zealand-y sound? Luna! And of course every XTC fan should at least have a listen to some Robyn Hitchcock at some time. Hisd more lush albums (strangely less popular amongst many Fegmaniax) are probably the ones XTC fans would like most. Albums like Perspex Island and Respect, f'rinstance. His true masterpiece, though, is Element of Light. Sooner or later someone will mention Richard Thompson, too, and (put your musical prejudices aside for a moment!) even Jethro Tull occasionally haunt the same musical space as XTC - the late 70s albums Stormwatch, Heavy Horses and A in particular. No-one's mentioned Barenaked Ladies lately, and in times past, the Indigo Girls and the Church have also been frequently mentioned. The Church's Steve Kilbey's lyrics move through the same intelligent literary convolutions as Andy's. Try also the GoBetweens and the Triffids. And everyone here should listen to the Kinks and the Hollies. on American music: > )The Velvet Underground. never as good after the Welshman left! :) >)Buddy Holly, at times. >)Miles Davis. >)Bob Dylan yeh, ok, I'll accept those ones :) >)Jimi Hendrix. an unknown until discovered by the British! :) >)Please, please, can we have Neil Young? no! Never mind - at least 1/4 of Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young was American :) > ([...] Marijuana Carey - and I'm complimenting her by comparison to a popular >if illegal narcotic) ...and you're complimenting her by even considering what she does a song! That is trash, that is filth (ranting fades into the distance) >Am I the first Yankee to ask, What is a council estate? Is it as grand as it >sounds or a euphemism, like "townhouse" here in the USA? Also, slightly >related, I listen to the BBC World Service sometimes--does that duplicate any >of the programming of BBC 1 (or any BBC domestic)? Here in NZ it's called state housing. Not sure what townhouse means in the US, but a council estate is an area bought up by the council and turned into a series of short winding roads with twee names like Sebastopol Close and Coleridge Drive, where all the houses were mass produced cheap by the local council for the local lower middle-class. You find them in the outer suburbs of big cities, or in inner suburbs of smaller cities or the "new towns". Not as bad as the rows of terrace houses that populate the popular images of the North of England (from Coronation Street to "Yorkshire" in Monty Python's Meaning of Life), but which really exist in many cities in all parts of the land, but certainly not post. A house with a scrap of garden completely surrounded by 100 identical houses in some dead-end suburb of a second rate city. That's a council estate. >The Beatles are beyond reproach. It is unfair to compare any other 20th >century artist to them, as they are unique in their collective abilities and >contribution to culture. for once, I agree with the Rolling Stone Album Guide, which said the following: "The importance of the Beatles cannot be overstated. Transforming rock & roll from a rebel yell and a lover's whisper into the most comprehensive music of the century, they blazed through a breathtaking succession of creative periods whose ultimate end was the severing of the line between high art and popular entertainment. As the world's best-loved band, they determined, too, that the sensibility of their period would mirror their own - and indeed the rock & roll of the '60s was predominately Beatles-spirited: celebratory, omnivorous in its appetite for diverse influence, politically expansive and spiritually open. The interchange of their personalities created the perfect band - John Lennon (rebel genius), Paul McCartney (perfectionist craftsman), George Harrison (mystic) and Ringo Starr (clown). Finally the Beatles were arguably the last band that everyone from Leonard Bernstein to schoolchildren embraced. Theirs is the final, great consensus in popular music - not liking the Beatles is as perverse as not liking the sun." someone wisely said yesterday: >I was, clumsily, trying to point out that it isn't ageing that changes us, >it's what we learn and experience as we travel through life (ageing is only a >side effect of that process). to quote Nelson Mandela: "There is nothing like returning to a place that remains unchanged to find the ways in which you yourself have altered." >>Pearl Jam: hell no! Eddie Vedder is the biggest whiner and I don't see how >they stay popular. His work with the awesome Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan on the soundtrack of Dead Man Walknig however, is excellent (everyone should go out and buy a copy of NFA Khan and Michael Brook's album "Night Song" right now!) >* * * * * * I'll be downstairs if you need me. I'll still be >* * downstairs if you DON'T need me. >* * (Mr. Blint, Consequences/Godley & Creme) Dear God! So *that's* who owns the other copy! Just remember... seventeen! >Testimonial Dessert... thanks for the (mainly) positive comments. One last thought for you, if you've read this far: Funk pop a roll, by Julian Cope James
------------------------------ Date: 12 Nov 1996 00:32:30 -0000 Message-ID: <19961112003230.19680.qmail@hotmail.com> From: "Ben Gott" <xtcfan@hotmail.com> Subject: Rock over London My friend Dave (program director at Radio Woodstock..96.9 FM) called last night, and said that he was making me a tape of the AP "Rock over London" interview *direct from his DAT copy.* (Actually, he's having one of his interns do it!) Anyway, he said he'd get the tape to me in a couple of weeks, which means it'll be time for another CONTEST in a couple of weeks...I'll start thinking up questions now. I'm really excited about getting this tape! Ben XTC SONG OF THE DAY: Radios in Motion * ------------------------------------------- Ben Gott The Hotchkiss School "Don't get smart or sarcastic..." -Costello
------------------------------ Message-Id: <199611120351.TAA26778@dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com> From: "Steve Perley" <huduguru@ix.netcom.com> Subject: Chalkhills' Children Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 22:52:52 -0500 Randy Posynick wrote: >What would be the cost if you keep it a 72 minute tape? At the prices you >quoted, I'm willing to pay more. And if it's a whole hell of a lot, why >custom cut down the tape to 72 minutes? (snip!) >And I think I speak for a lot of people when I say that I recognise and >appreciate the work you've put into this project. Thank you. I second that; and I agree that at the prices quoted, I'd be willing to pay more or buy more tapes to cover the cost. Hell, at $2.50 US for one, I'd consider it a bargain to pay a buck more to get everyone on! I mailed in saying I'd buy two, but I'd be glad to buy four to get the job done. Quite frankly, I was stunned to see how low the projected price is. This is a monumental undertaking for a volunteer operation, and I think that all the contributors and members of this group owe a debt of gratitude to Richard for taking it on. EVERYONE SHOULD BUY AT LEAST ONE! I shall now step off of the soapbox and go to bed. Goodnight, all! Steve
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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 23:19:58 -0800
From: Michael Versaci <stormymonday@sprintmail.com>
Subject: Stormy Monday Rants Again
XTC Fans and Friends,
Felt like writing today
RE: Subject: Re: Because/Bullets/Bugs
GB,
>Funny, I thought that was the most disposable track of the whole package.
>Just artificially eliminating the backing tracks long after the fact is a
>bogus way to create an "alternate" version. And certainly, everyone has
>always known what great harmonies the song has...that's perfectly obvious
>from the original version. And when the moments of silence kick in during
>the spot where the synthesizer solo originally was, it's very, very
>awkward. Anyway, like I said, that's the first A3 track I would eliminate.
>Then I'd replace it with the "Goodbye" demo. ;)
On paper, I'd agree that it is "a bogus way to create an alternate'
version", but these are the Beatles! For my ears, it is a beautiful
presentation, showing off the angelic harmonies of the Beatles. This has
been floating around in bootleg form for awhile, and it is nice to have a
CD version of it. I still have trouble discerning all of the parts and
attributing them to the proper singer. But, The Abbey Road "Because" is
still the definitive version.
I wholeheartedly agree with you that the "Goodbye" demo is a glaring
omission from A3. I freaked the first time I heard this. Paul at the top
of his game, effortlessly performing a beautiful melody as if he were an
elf from "The Lord of The Rings". Thankfully, it is part of my private
"anthology" library that I've been building for years.
>Ray Davies:
>
>Yeah, the Kinks were real good in their day. "Celluloid Heroes" is a
>beautifully crafted pop song. But let's get real, Andy has more talent
>in one of his nostril hairs than five Ray Davies! (Quick, get me a
>bullet proof vest!)
Consider yourself bulleted. ;)
OK. Listen, I think that Ray Davies is an extremely talented musician,
certainly a cut above the mainstream. I tend to wax hyperbolic when it
comes to XTC. I stand by my original comments, not as an insult to Ray
Davies, but as a tribute to Andy Partridge and his extraordinary talent.
RE: **** Dukes **** and Rutles
Ambient (?)
>i can't agree TOTALLY that XTC "out-beatles" all others...TR does come close
>with both FAITHFUL and DEFACE THE MUSIC, but THE RUTLES is (IMHO) equal in
>quality to the fab four or the fab three.
I love Todd. I thought that "the Rutles" was a really great parody of the
Beatles' story, and the quality of the music was a pleasant surprise. BUT,
as talented as Neil Innes is, he copied the Beatles' style, and even
re-worked their songs, ("Get Up and Go" = "Get Back"). And I can't agree
that his tribute to the Beatles is a) the same quality as the Beatles, or
b) anywhere near as funny as The Dukes' "Mole From The Ministry" nor as
musically satisfying as XTC's "Towers Of London".
Of course, it's all subjective.
RE: Jeff "Kinky" Lynne
James,
Thanks for not flaming me.
I have heard, but do not own "Village Green Preservation Society". I do
have "Misfits", "Sleepwalker", "Low Budget" and the one with "Destroyer",
and a compiliation of their early work, so I'm sure by "Kink-o-phile"
standards, I'm unqualifed to judge. Listen, Ray Davies is a fine artist,
but I'll never worship him. The Beatles, XTC, Steely Dan and Peter
Gabriel, are my musical elite (rock that is), and I don't feel that Ray
rates among them. My reasons are all subjective, but here goes. The four
aforementioned artists all share the following qualities:
1) They broke new ground
2) With very few exceptions, the sum total of their output is of very high
quality
3) Music, Lyrics, Arrangements, and Recordings are always excellent
4) They embrace a wide variety of styles
Many would argue that The Kinks fulfill all of those requirements, but not
for these ears.
By the way, I thought that writing a new song ("Catch Me Now I'm Falling")
around the tired old "Jumping Jack Flash" riff and placing it on an album
called "Low Budget" was brilliant.
Bad news about Paul using Jeff Lynne for his next endeavor. He must be
desperate for a hit, which he'll undoubtedly get. It is almost as if the
man really did die, because once he was left to his own devices and no
longer had to face Lennon, he went over the edge. Yeah, throughout his
solo career, there are some really good songs, but by and large it is hard
to believe that the same man that wrote "Eleanor Rigby" and "You Never Give
Me Your Money" could possibly have written "Magneto and Titanium Man".
Look for an obscure McCartney track called "Back On My Feet". I believe
that it was the B-side of "Once Upon a Long Ago", and was co-written with
Elvis Costello. He's capable, he just has no governor.
XTC,
The chorus of "Mole" sounds like Colin.
"Holly Up On Poppy" is not a pop ditty with throw-away lyrics when you're a
dad with a beautiful daughter that you only see a few times a week.
I listened to "English Settlement" today, and it still blows my mind.
By the way, if all they ever did was "Black Sea" I'd still say that they
were one of the best bands ever, and I like every record since even more
than that one! I can't be trusted to be rational when it comes to XTC.
Ever since "All This and World War II" came out in the early seventies, I
have been leery of "Tribute" albums. Although this record contained three
great remakes ("Strawberry Fields" - Peter Gabriel, "Magical Mystery Tour"
- Ambrosia and "Got To Get You Into My Life" - Earth Wind and Fire") it
almost ruined "I Am The Walrus" for me. The next time I listened to the
Beatles rendition, I heard Leo Sayer singing it. I gave it away.
I broke down and bought "A Testimonial Dinner" and with the exception of
"Terry and The Love Men" (no surprise there), Ruben Blades, Joe Jackson and
The Verve Pipe, I'll never listen to it again. When "Senses" came on, my
girlfriend shrieked, "no no no, turn it off before I die! How dare they
attempt to remake Senses'. It's not Fair. TURN IT OFF NOW!". I had to
agree.
Yeah, Joe Jackson's "Blaze of Glory" and "Labor and Lust" were fine records.
I forgot to mention The Loud Family and The American Music Club as possible
groups to recommend to XTC fans.
Peace
Mike "Stormy Monday" Versaci
PS,
I just read #25, and I still say that "Gulping in your opium so copiously"
is a great line. Further, from Drums & Wires onward, I'm hard pressed to
find any "Andy" song that doesn't have superior lyrics. His word choice is
perfect; he can be scathing, loving, whimsical and poetic. The words to
"The Mayor" for example. He is so obviously NOT "The Mayor of Simpleton"!
"Scarecrow People" ("and them what t'aint you") (God, I get goosebumps)!
"The Garden Of Eartly Delights". "Beating of Hearts". It never ends.
"Cuba" was revelatory. Imagine being in England in 1961 ("And we are Piggy
in the Middle") "He loves me, he loves me not, he's pulling pins from an
Atom Bomb". What an image! "Look out for my corpse in the color
supplement".
As Ian Dury put it, "There ain't half been some clever bastards (lucky
bleeders, lucky bleeders) and if all Andy did was write the words, he'd
still be great. But NO, he has the ability to write music like "Love on a
Farmboy's Wages" and "Senses Working Overtime" (another lyrical
masterpiece!). Stop me now!
Also, here is one American that believes that the right of free speech
stretches across the Atlantic. I LOVE the words (and music) to "Melt The
Guns". ("And all the media, will fiddle while Rome burns, acting like
modern time Neros".) And doesn't he mention "Number 10" in President Kill?
Andy tells it like it is. I welcome the English perspective.
I have the privilege of working with a lot of English people, because my
company was founded in England. I find them to be cultured, literate and
articulate. I wish I could say the same about their American counter
parts. Of course, being in the computer business, I'm not exactly
presented with a cross section of the British population, but still, they
are quite an impressive lot, those Brits.
PPS
I had to put my "They Might Be Giants" comments last, where they belong. I
gave up after "Flood". Their music made me feel like I was in a swarm of
mosquitoes. I'll see if I can borrow copy of the highly touted "John
Henry", because I consider myself to be open minded and fair, and I have
misjudged bands before.
But, no way, no how can I imagine ever thinking that they have anything in
common with XTC or The Beatles.
------------------------------ Message-Id: <199611120509.XAA92270@audumla.students.wisc.edu> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 11:09:03 -0600 From: "Adam J. Ostermann" <aosterma@students.wisc.edu> Subject: Dear George Burns From: Rebecca Newton <javagirl@grove.ufl.EDU> >Does anyone else think that "Dear God" is the worst song on _Skylarking_? Well, ^worst^ is stretching it, but I would definitely say that it makes no conceptual sense on ^Skylarking.^ I consider myself fortunate enough to own the British CD pressing with "Mermaid Smiled." The US pressing just kind of drops it in there and figures a few grotesque fades will do to make it seem as though it's part of the proceedings. Side note: Is it true there's a foreign pressing of ^Skylarking^ that has the whole original in progression AND "Dear God" tacked at the end? Ideally, that's the one I should have picked up, but when you see a Brit import for $5.99 used, you take what you get. Side note 2: Would anyone be able to point me to where I could puick up that "Dear God" CD single with the Homo Safari b-sides? Respond personally through e-mail or through here if at all possible. Big thanx. :-) > "Life's single lesson is that there is more accident to life than >man can admit in a lifetime, and stay sane." --Thomas Pynchon Ha! Pynchon's da man! Good writer and damn good taste in music - wrote liner notes for a Spike Jones retrospective and has publicly championed Lotion as his favorite band. If you have yet to hear of Lotion, I urge you to head out to the shops and pick up ^Full isaac^ and/or ^Nobody's Cool^. Great, post-grunge, surging pop with balls. (and "Rock Chick" on ^Nobody's Cool^ is VERY XTCish...something the band has owned up to, the honest fellas...) And oh yeah, happy belated birthday to Andy Partidge. Done for the moment being..... Adam J. Ostermann aosterma@students.wisc.edu
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Message-Id: <199611120558.AAA12256@answerman.mindspring.com>
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 00:46:15 -0500
From: Matthew Jason NeSmith <jnesmith@atl.mindspring.com>
Subject: Assorted fruit flavors
First off, big fat heaping bowls of thanks to Simon Knight and P@ul-of-Oz
for the Andy interview. It was fascinating.
I'm rilly rilly trying not to flame, but JHB said about "Wages":
>Okay. That's not what I'm saying...let's operate from the premise that
>certain chord or note progressions do not sound good to the human ear,
>okay?
No, let's not assume that. Some people really dig microtonal music. Some
people really go for musique concrete. Some like chords that don't resolve
properly. This is music, not math, and no matter how you analyse it, you can
only play with numbers until it hits your left brain. Then it becomes a
feeling.
> leaves a bad
>taste in my mouth.
That seems like a more solid opinion.
>From: box@linux.nemesis.com.au
>Do you [or anyone] know what the song 'Let's be Natural' is based
>on? That song has to be more beautiful than anything The Beatles
>did the whole time they were recording.
Wow, I've never heard anyone take them seriously, but on second
thought, that song is quite stunning. I think it's based on "Dear Prudence"
Also from: box@linux.nemesis.com.au
>Incidentally, Neil Innes's old Bonzo Dog Band has been critically
>compared to They Might Be Giants, The Art Of Noise and XTC [three of
>my favourite bands ever]. I haven't actually heard anything
>they've done but it's got to be worth a listen or fifty.
As a relative newcomer to Bonzo Dogma, I can attest to their quality. Not
all of their songs are gems ("I Want to be with you" is pretty suck), but
they can be as perverse as you want. A good friend of mine is involved
with putting togeather a tribute to the Bonzo's. Some of the artists on it
will probably be George, Ringo, Jeff Lynne, Dave Stewart (ex-Eurythmics),
maybe Negativland (one of my personal faves) and Elton John. I know it
sounds like I'm making this up (especially to anyone who knows what
Negativland is all about), but I shit y'all not. Curiously enough, our
boys (stranded) in Swindon were all set to cover "Urban Spaceman", but Andy
backed out. And, BTW, I also have a shot at getting on the album. I will
die a happy man if they use five seconds of my recording.
And now, the *very brief opinions* section:
Bungalow: right on
TMBG: the G is for "genius". Don't take their novelty at face value.
Oasis: a false apparition of good music
Jason nummer drei
wubba wubba wubba, Orange Hat
How's your hand? Orange Hat
hevvy rotation on the Brain: Stevie Wonder "Race Babbling"
www.mindspting.com/~jnesmith
We're all made of Jello, Orange Hat
------------------------------ From: shaefner@falcon.cc.ukans.edu Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 01:51:08 -0600 (UTC -06:00) Subject: chalkhills children Message-id: <01IBQP3CHP7600KZYL@KUHUB.CC.UKANS.EDU> > (1) R.E.M. rules and anybody who thinks otherwise has only heard > "Green", "Out of Time" or "Monster"; Absolutely true. wouldn't want to point any fingers towards AMANDA. :) Randy Posynick <posynick@netcom.com> asked: >What would be the cost if you keep it a 72 minute tape? At the prices you >quoted, I'm willing to pay more. And if it's a whole hell of a lot, why >custom cut down the tape to 72 minutes? Can't you just leave a few >minutes of blank tape at the end of a 90 (or whatever) minute cassette...? This is exactly what occured to me. Randy just beat me to the posting. The prices are so low that most chalkies would probably be willing to pay the extra $ to hear everyone's contributions (assuming it's not a huge amount for some reason). Is this the case, or should I speak solely for myself? And, for the record, I can't always tell Andy and Colin apart. -Scott -->http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~shaefner
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