Chalkhills Digest Volume 5, Issue 250
Date: Friday, 20 August 1999
Chalkhills Digest, Volume 5, Number 250
Friday, 20 August 1999
Today's Topics:
Introduction
upcoming releases, av1, etc.
Andy would want you to see The Iron Giant
Yes, you have something there
Hmm, what if
XTC Content
another XTC fan signs on
Don't Forget Guitar-Blues!
blown away + GEORGE!
Teenage FBI
re: Peter Blegvad and "King Strut..."
No more Nirvana
Lose 10 Pounds of Ugly Fat
<xtc>nirvana</xtc>
Video Killed the Radio Star...
how we got to XTC
There ya go!
whatever happened to...
XTC conversion
Andy Partridge on Nirvana! (not quite)
SEC : UNCLASSIFIED Another F#@*ing Survey?
SEC : UNCLASSIFIED Please Explain......
Snow becomes smoke
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---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Message-ID: <852567D0.006D05C4.00@fdlnata10.fdnet.com> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 16:05:26 -0400 Subject: Introduction Tim said: <<I'm sure many of you will have different views on this. I gather that the majority on this list would rank ENGLISH SETTLEMENT as #1, with SKYLARKING a close second.>> And so I suppose that makes a logical entry to introduce onesself. I just joined up with Chalkhills a week ago and have been lurking waiting for the chance to jump in. But as far as my admiration for XTC goes, that goes back to '79-'80, whenever it was that I heard "Black Sea" on WQDR in Raleigh NC on their "all night albums" feature (sandwiched in between a Pat Benatar and an Al Stewart as I recall) Anyway, from the guitar hook of Respectable Street, I've been hooked! And actually, whether it's a "first love" thing or not, I would still rank that one as my overall fave, with the aforementioned ES & Skylarking right behind, but ranking these kind of things is very difficult for me...I have them all and enjoy them all! As for AV1, it remains at the top of my Best of '99 list, along with Beth Orton, Tom Waits, Ben Folds Five. I am especially fond of MY copy of AV1 as it has Mr. Partridge's autograph on it in gold ink yet! (He signed it at a Borders in Chicago). As far as personal info goes, I'm 41 and live in Greenville, SC at present. I'm also a big fan of Elvis Costello, Joni Mitchell, Bruce Springsteen, and scads of others. Looking forward to being a part of this group! Bob
------------------------------ From: WillJ4comm@aol.com Message-ID: <beb4fd9a.24eb4421@aol.com> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 19:02:57 EDT Subject: upcoming releases, av1, etc. Mitch, anyone, any AV2 news from the front? Are they at least making progress? Anyway, a few new release items: Sept. 7 - New release from Blinker the Star. In CMJ, the leader of the group says his goal is to get his own music back in line with his days as an "XTC fanatic," like when he was 14 and was blown away by the sheer awesomeness of Skylarking. He thinks on this album he's getting closer. I'll likely be picking that one up, though I've never heard anything from them, based on his lofty praise of our boys which I merely paraphrased and condensed here... Sept. 28 - Two releases this day: 1) Matthew Sweet's new one, reunited with his "Girlfriend" band for the first time since that great album; and 2) New Sting, entitled "Brand New Day." I've been listening to the man lately, and I gotta say, the guy is reeeeally good in my book. Secondly, on the "how's AV1 holding up?" thread, my two cents are that it is indeed one of their best, if not maybe their best (though I don't own White Music or Go2, so maybe I'm speaking too soon!). I listen to it at least a few times a week, though I still use the different listening order I sifted out a few months ago: 11, 10, 7, 6, 8, 5, 1, 2, 3, 4, 9 AV1 is EASILY my leading contender for album of the year, and may be in the pole position for album of the decade. Suffice to say, it's holding up very nicely. Is it my favorite XTC album? Whew, that's a toughie -- then you have to try to compare it to Black Sea, English Settlement, Oranges & Lemons, Nonsuch, Mummer (heck, why not just mention all of them?), but I must say it holds a position right at the top -- it's a darn fine piece o work. It may be the best, I'm leaning toward that -- man, it's freekin' awesome, I just get giddy thinking about how great it is. "Your Dictionary" may be the most exquisitely arranged piece of pop music in the decade, unless that award goes to one of the other tracks on this album. Awesome, excellent stuff, I love every bit of it. Ahh, that felt nice. Thanks for the opportunity. Will J
------------------------------ Message-ID: <19990818030126.27509.rocketmail@web110.yahoomail.com> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 20:01:26 -0700 (PDT) From: K D <hentoe_xtc@yahoo.com> Subject: Andy would want you to see The Iron Giant Hello, everyone.... For all of you out there who are sick of paying for the crap Hollywood has been dealing as of late--then, go see Iron Giant (while you still can). The Iron Giant is the really great new film by WB...and, even though it has incredible art & animation, NO stupid songs/sidekicks, has a great message for both kids and adults, AND rave reviews (possible Best Picture nomination)....the film is DYING in the box office....for some reason, people just don't seem to know about it! Does this sound familiar to you? great art--hailed by critics and ignored by the masses? An all too familiar story around here, huh? I am very sorry for taking up space for a non-XTC topic....I have never done this before, and would never have done it had it not been for such a good cause, I swear. I really think Andy & Colin would approve--the movie is right up their alley: cool soldier stuff with an anti-violence message! And, remember how Disney tried to screw Andy over with the whole James and the Giant Peach thing? Now is our chance for revenge--so, support non-Disney animation! Besides, my best friend (a HUGE XTC fan) worked on it! The Iron Giant is a terrific film. You don't even have to be an animation fan to enjoy it. It is not like any other animated movie before--it is more like a live action film that happens to be animated...(and animated well). Please go see it, and, then tell everyone you know how great it was! (and continue to do the same for XTC!) thanks, Kate (the Baltimore one)
------------------------------ Message-Id: <v04003a00b3dfd3c891b1@[144.92.181.106]> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 22:29:55 -0500 From: maggie jungwirth <mmjungwi@facstaff.wisc.edu> Subject: Yes, you have something there Delurking, first post, fan since 1981, 'nuf said... Since so many hillers site English Settlement as there fav I decided to listen to it again, and again...after a solid week of ES here's what I love: Andy's "AaaaaAaaaAhhaaagree" on Melt the Guns. Honking in It's Nearly Africa The jigsaw/firework analogys in All of a Sudden, which are particulary *profound* to me right now...... and the Energy. What bits do you all like?
------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 00:35:48 -0400 Subject: Hmm, what if Message-ID: <19990818.005303.-361787.1.MollyFa@juno.com> From: Molly E Fanton <mollyfa@juno.com> Okay, let's not talk about Nirvana and the other stuff anymore, I'm finding it boring and repetetive. So why not start something that's XTC related. What if Weird Al did a parady of an XTC song? What song would be good paradied (sp), would Andy or Colin give persmission for him to use it? Hmm, River of Oragamie (sp) (River of Orchids) or Treeman (Greenman). That would be funny. :)
------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 00:43:52 -0400 Subject: XTC Content Message-ID: <19990818.005303.-361787.2.MollyFa@juno.com> From: Molly E Fanton <mollyfa@juno.com> I have to agree with Chris Chapman, there has been way too much non-XTC content on this list. I'm not trying to play net police nor am I trying to step on sweet John Relph's toes, but this stuff is getting repetetive and boring. I've had to hit the scroll bar numerous times. Is it because there's nothing going on with the XTC camp? I'm just getting sick of Nirvana, Brit vs. American, progressive music stuff. More XTC stuff. Molly
------------------------------ Message-ID: <19990818063313.17527.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 23:33:13 -0700 (PDT) From: christie byun <archmarble@yahoo.com> Subject: another XTC fan signs on Hello Chalkfolks! I love XTC. They are my favorite band in the universe and they always will be. Dave Gregory is in the highest pantheon of guitar gods. I still miss him quite a bit, and I wish he was still in the band. But good luck to him in his future endeavors and rock on, tommy! gd
------------------------------ From: unna@worldmailer.com Date: 18 Aug 1999 04:33:45 -0700 Message-ID: <19990818113345.13746.cpmta@c008.sfo.cp.net> Subject: Don't Forget Guitar-Blues! So often I read that "N" is heralded as a catalyst in the most recent musical paradigm shift. But, it is not the case that there were only lame heavy metal or glam metal bands, R&B, or vacuous pop bands to listen to before Nirvana. A recent VH1 special contained an interview with the lead guy from Loverboy who lamented over Nirvana's dousing their creative and lucrative flame. What a load! There's always the blues! Bands like The Reverend Horton Heat and other progressively speedy guitar-blues groups sounded great during the "Nirvana shift". And don't forget The Greatful Dead. I'm not embarrassed to admit that I was just in time to catch a few last shows. And from there you could jump to Phish. Sure, Phish is drenched in a psychadelic groove a lot of the time, but you'd be hard pressed to deny their musicianship and composition abilities. I would pay good money to see Phish cover Knights In Shining Karma!
------------------------------ From: WillJ4comm@aol.com Message-ID: <7318c154.24ec25eb@aol.com> Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 11:06:19 EDT Subject: blown away + GEORGE! A few more thoughts this Wednesday Morn, 1) I am feeling absolutely great this morning, and I've been blaring XTC from my car and desk all morning. I am in awe of Andy and Colin, particularly struck by Andy's lyrical power, as "Summer's Cauldron" is perfectly reflective of my state of mind today; which leads me to: 2) The one thing I left off the new music bulletin. News from the George Harrison camp: George has completed a brand new solo album, more guitar-based than anything -- excellent. Secondly, Harrison has purchased the rights to all his old solo material AND the Wilburys material, and is re-releasing both catalogs with six to eight demos, b-sides, etc. PER ALBUM -- and that includes the Wilburys stuff. Could be some great unreleased material from those sessions. 3) Andy and Colin rule, if I didn't mention it already. I have a broad musical range and love all kinds of stuff, and album for album, song for song, XTC are in my book the best band in the world today -- I like their catalog more than anyone else's right now, even the Beatles. Heck, I may even have to go pick up White Music and Go2! Just wanted to add those items, Have a great one. Will J
------------------------------ Message-Id: <199908181516.IAA29398@sparrow.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 10:12:48 -0600 Subject: Teenage FBI From: "Bob O'Bannon" <batchain@earthlink.net> >ps/ I want everybody to immediately go out and buy Guided By Voices' >record _Do The Collapse_. It's a brilliant condensation of the things >they do well wrapped up in a big shiny package of Rock Of course, I agree with this, and let me add that the lead track, "Teenage FBI," is easily the best song of the year (yes, sorry, even better than anything off of AV1), and maybe the best quintessential powerpop song in many years. It is flawless in every way. I listen to it over and over. If you're not left grinning ear to ear after hearing it, we need to talk. Bob O
------------------------------ Message-ID: <37BB408F.2079@schoollink.net> Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 16:23:59 -0700 From: Dan Phipps <phipps@schoollink.net> Organization: CIC Subject: re: Peter Blegvad and "King Strut..." in Chalkhills 5-249, the following missive appeared... > From: Iain.Murray.70428176@army.defence.gov.au > > I borrowed a few albums from a friend over the weekend. One was > Shriekback's "Oil And Gold" (which I was told was a good place to start), > and it wasn't too bad ; but the one that really grabbed me, for reasons > which I'll explain in a minute, was "King Strut And Other Stories", by > Peter Blegvad. Until the past two days, I'd only ever heard *of* Blegvad > - I'd never actually heard any of his stuff. > > I'm probably the only one who finds this interesting, but at least it was > XTC-related for a change......... Iain, you're mistaken bigtime, pal, on probably being the only interested in this classic album by PB!! I've got a CD copy of it myself and even have the limited edition KS promo entitled "Peter Who?" featuring Andy Partridge as "the interviewer" to Blegvad throughout. This album is indeed FANTASTIC!!! Andy's involvement through- out is a bonafide HOOT!! Thanks for mentioning the Blegvad name! This man is as much of a songwriting genius as AP himself, so there's really no surprise that Partridge wanted to work with him. Blegvad also has another album out called "The Naked Shakespeare" that has Partridge and Moulding all over it! Partridge even produced most of it! Check 'em out, people! Blegvad really is worth the hunt, believe me!!! :-D Later -- -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ /Dan and Ginger Phipps <phipps@schoollink.net> "Everywhere you look, you release parts of your senses." (Jon Anderson) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 16:20:21 -0400
Subject: No more Nirvana
Message-ID: <19990818.163110.-764227.0.MollyFa@juno.com>
From: Molly E Fanton <mollyfa@juno.com>
Shawn wrote:
<<
Well, I for one find this a fascinating discussion and page down if
this bores you. Sure it's not xtc, but items like this make the list
interesting don't they?>>
No, Shawn, why don't you go to a Nirvana group to talk about Nirvana.
This is a XTC group and eh what should we talk about hmmm....let's
see......XTC? I'm sorry, I'm just getting sick of Nirvana, they were a
great group, but it's just getting repetitive and so boring and my finger
hurts hitting page down. I want to enjoy this group, but come on people
let's talk XTC not Nirvana, not whether British music is better than
American music. Am I in the minority here? I know I'm going to get
flamed for censoring what people say, but I know that if this doesn't
stop I'm getting out of here, and I don't really want to, because I love
this group. If it wasn't for this group I would have never gotten Andy's
autograph. But I'm just sick of the non-XTC content going on.
Molly, putting her flame retardent suit
------------------------------ Message-ID: <19990818203841.4388.qmail@hotmail.com> From: "Will Lewis" <will356@hotmail.com> Subject: Lose 10 Pounds of Ugly Fat Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 20:38:41 GMT Oh, for crying out loud. I joined this thing hoping for informative facts about XTC and their music. So why is it clogged with endless opinions and bantering about other bands that I don't give a rats a** about? Do you really think that anyone else is reading your multiple-page monologues about the cosmic ether and its effect on Bon Jovi? And, to make it worse, you give those opinions in the most wordy and non-specific dribbling haiku your little seedling brains can dream up. In the immortable words of Monty Python, "Do us all a favor. Cut your head off!" Will
------------------------------ From: dan@gge.com Message-ID: <37BB2638.52704E43@gge.com> Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 14:32:00 -0700 Subject: <xtc>nirvana</xtc> jill wrote: >"If we'd all breathe in and blow away the smoke..." >Every time I hear that line, I think of it as a metaphor >for something. However, I can't figure out for what. >.....Please tell me what your opinion is. I encourage you >to be poetic in your response and not at all shy. hmmm..... fuck. i dunno.
------------------------------ Message-Id: <s7bac897.048@tcwgroup.com> Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 14:51:27 -0700 From: "Dane Pereslete" <peresd@tcwgroup.com> Subject: Video Killed the Radio Star... >From: OMBEAN1@aol.com >Id like to know what happened to the "Greenman" video for TVT to label it >"horrible". My gut feeling is that it's _Andy and Colin_ labeling it "horrible". >Mitch, fill us in ----please! Whats going on . We want studio doings. Hear hear, Ombean1!! We want answers to important questions like, "are we gonna see Volume 2 before next April?!?!". And finally, in response to the US/UK bashing, can't we all just see the humor in our respective idiosyncracies and be thankful that we have the freedom to criticize our cultures? (I'll be over here in the corner listening to "Desert Island" over, and over, and over....) P.S. - Thanks be to Bob, Randy, Mel, and Mary Beth for the wonderful get-together in LA last Tuesday. It's great to finally meet some fellow Chalkies and put faces to those names. Let's display those "potato sacks" with pride!!! Currently listening to: Bill Frisell's "Good Dog Happy Man", and it grows on me more each day.... *------------------------------------------------------- Logging in from beautiful Glendale, CA USA "Waiting for AV2" daneperes@aol.com -or- bramage64@aol.com *-------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 18:47:07 -0500 (CDT)
From: John Fulton <fulton@ssc.wisc.edu>
Subject: how we got to XTC
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.990818183900.7854A-100000@guy.ssc.wisc.edu>
Interesting post about punk and musicianship as two paths to XTC.
My path was coming home from the White Castle. My friend Dan had "Living
through another Cuba" on the car stereo. My mind was blown. The next
day or so, English Settlement came out.
Did anyone else get there via/simultaneously with Comsat Angels? Does/did
anyone follow the Comsats? I would be very interested in picking up
materials on their obscure reincarnations, etc., after the name change.
Oh, and to make up for previous lack of XTC content:
I sit in the snow.
Cheers, John.
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- John A. Fulton fulton@ssc.wisc.edu -
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------------------------------ Message-ID: <001601bee9db$d2d16340$68fc8dd0@cfu.net> From: "John Thomson" <j1thom@cfu.net> Subject: There ya go! Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 19:43:15 -0500 >From Slate, 8-18-99; ...This is why your dentist hectors you to rubber-tip your gums, brush with a superconcentrated fluoride toothpaste, and wear a night guard to control your bruxing... I wouldn't... would you?
------------------------------ Message-ID: <19990819011733.14403.rocketmail@web124.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 18:17:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Tyler Hewitt <tahewitt@yahoo.com> Subject: whatever happened to... Someone wrote in the laast posting about a band called Shootyz Groove and their remake of Dear God. Got me to thinking-whatever happened to that rap song with the Dear God samples that was supposed to come out? Pissed a lot of people on this list off, and sparked a long debate on the merits of sampling/copyright infringement that I seemed to take the minority view on... Anyways, Did it ever appear? Was it succesgful or did it sink w/o a trace? I long ago gave up listening to pop radio, so I have no idea if it ever got airplay. Can anyone fill us in?
------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 18:32:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199908190132.SAA07991@mail2.deltanet.com> From: DCB-MBB <mb2@deltanet.com> Subject: XTC conversion Que pasa, Chalkers!! ---Just wanted to let you all know I am continuing to do the Lord's work...helping misguided souls to find redemption through XTC, one set of ears at a time.....these particular ears belong to my hubby...I've been trying to sell him on XTC for over a year...it was always the same...every time he'd hear me playing their music he'd say something like, "what's this?"... then I would launch into a lengthy discourse, extolling the virtues of these talented lads...to which my dearest would reply, "oh". ---I realized I'd have to take a different approach if I was to help my baby see the light. The conversion finally took place last week while we were on vacation. I made tapes of AV1, Skylarking and Oranges and Lemons. As we cruised the Southwestern U.S., the music of XTC flowed out of the car speakers...the perfect companion to the lonesome beauty of the desert landscape. AV1 was the one that made the sale...my husband kept saying, "WHO is this?", and as the tracks played on he said, "this is all from ONE band?.. on ONE album?" I couldn't keep from grinning like a bufoon while my husband raved on about how great XTC was/were/are...It only took 4 states, 9 days and almost 3,000 miles, but I did it..rather, the genius of AP & company did... ---In response to David Seddon's post in digest #5-#246: Was Cobain/Nirvana a significant influence on pop music? The subject is still debatable. What troubled me was your apparent animosity towards us folks across the water. In fact, the whole tone of your post suggests a lack of fiber in your diet. My specific gripe? Your broad generalizations about Americans, which seemed to have been based purely on supposition. I would think an otherwise thoughtful person(in this instance, you David), would avoid making such ignorant statements.....o.k., o.k., I feel a little better.....sorry to rant, Chalkfolks...... ---Now back to the music, kidz---***** Sincerely, Debora "the dust blows forward" Brown
------------------------------ Message-ID: <19990819042509.50456.qmail@hotmail.com> From: "Megan Heller" <hellerm@hotmail.com> Subject: Andy Partridge on Nirvana! (not quite) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 21:25:08 PDT Michael Davies observed-- >Bjork may be familiar to the typical teenager, but the typical >teenager thinks she's incredibly weird. The typical teenager has >never heard of Portishead, Stereolab, or Pavement. Pavement and >Portishead each had one hit about five years ago, and Stereolab have >never had a hit. I'm actually starting to forget what a "typical" teenager is... of course, the age bar kept getting lowered even as I was only in my late teens (twelveteen?). >It seems like in Britain bands can be critically >acclaimed, hang around for a while expecting and being expected to >have hits, and eventually have hits. In America almost no popular >bands have ever been heard of by anyone before their success. Not >many bands gradually build followings on major labels here. This is just funny to me, because I remember Andy Partridge talking about this phenomenon back in an interview around the time of O&L (hm, may have even been on the radio tour). However, his view seemed to be different. I remember him saying that American audiences were so massive, that releasing a song here was like dropping a pebble into a lake-- the ripples took a long time to reach the fringes (ie, everyone), but it kept going and didn't stop. Britain, on the other hand, he said was like dropping a pebble into a saucer of water-- it had a powerful effect, but the ripples went out and back quickly and then it was gone. He saw Britain as having a lot more one-hit wonders. Does anyone else remember this? wow, actual XTC content, from me... megan.
------------------------------ From: Iain.Murray.70428176@army.defence.gov.au Message-Id: <4A2567D2.0017806A.00@stagemaster.army.defence.gov.au> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 14:23:06 +1000 Subject: SEC : UNCLASSIFIED Another F#@*ing Survey? (Again, sorry about the SEC : UNCLASSIFIED bit, but I wanted to make sure this got out of the building......) Before anybody else jumps in with another survey along similar lines (assuming they haven't by the time this gets posted), I'd like to propose a survey based on what list members believe are the five best albums of the decade. Judging by the raging debate about the most influential bands of the decade, undertaking a survey like this is probably a bit foolhardy, but I'm game. E-Mail your responses directly to me at the above address, and after a couple of weeks (or when I think I've got a representative sample) I'll post the results. Thanks! Iain
------------------------------ From: Iain.Murray.70428176@army.defence.gov.au Message-Id: <4A2567D2.001A43D7.00@stagemaster.army.defence.gov.au> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 14:51:37 +1000 Subject: SEC : UNCLASSIFIED Please Explain...... Okay, maybe I should have explained the survey idea a bit more fully. Here goes : 1. Send me the names of what you think are the five best albums of the 1990s *in order of preference*. 2. Points will be awarded to these albums in correspondence with their position in the order (for example, if someone votes an album as #1, it gets five points. A #5 album gets one point). 3. At the end of two weeks (or thereabouts), I will post the results on the list. This will only be the top five albums - anyone who wants a more comprehensive list (to see where their favourite album finished) can get in touch with me, and I'll send them a complete listing of all albums voted for. Clear as mud? Cool. Iain
------------------------------ From: jamed@telstra.easymail.com.au Subject: Snow becomes smoke Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:33:37 +1000 Message-ID: <772791B3D08.AAA5E7A@o1.telstra.easymail.com.au> A short message, Jill Oleson's last message about the smoke reminded me that until I bought the "Easter Theatre" Single I thought the line read "If we'd all breathe in and blow away the snow" which to me created a wonderful image of blowing away the last remains of winter to welcome in Easter and Spring. So I'm afraid I was very disappointed when I found out that the word was in fact smoke. That lovely poetic image, or at least was to me, lost an awful lot at that time. Thank you for your attention Mark
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