Chalkhills Digest Volume 5, Issue 260
Date: Monday, 30 August 1999
Chalkhills Digest, Volume 5, Number 260
Monday, 30 August 1999
Today's Topics:
I think Winky Fish would be a great band name
One More Time
A Hundred Heartbeats Hiiigh!
PhXTC
synth 2
Elastic Purejoy
List
Fear is never boring
Re: Pink Thing
Digging For Gold
Good Nights Sleep
if you don't start living well...
RE: bootleg
Sheesh Give Dave a Break ...Part Two
A funny thought
Here We Go :)
SEC: UNCLASSIFIED:-Re: New List
Real Audio XTC
AV1 commercial bootleg
Ghoti
I talk too much, you know I never shut up!
Re: Something Phishy
Anonymouse
Streams of Unconsiousness
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From: Melsta@aol.com
Message-ID: <db4f85dd.24f9e9e8@aol.com>
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 21:42:00 EDT
Subject: I think Winky Fish would be a great band name
Hey 'Hillians--
The digests are once more coming fast and furious - now with 50% more
XTC content - I love it!
From Winky Fish: (or vee tube, but you didn't sign your name)
> It was so cool to play a Bob Seeger tune, Followed by an AC/DC tune
> and then hit "the unsuspecting masses" with...
> ..."Crowded Room" It was the only XTC song my P.O.S. bar band was
> capable of playing.
And how did said "unsuspecting masses react to that?
From AMANDA:
> Senses Working Overtime-Zee crows at the end...
> or whatever odd bird sound that was.
That was some kind of English crow, or raven, or rook. I always
liked that sound too. Then one time when I was watching the BritCom
"To the Manor Born" I heard it there, and surmised it must be a
particular British bird. When I went to London last March I was
quite surprised to hear that sound coming from the common crow.
(For those who don't know, the American crow says, quite distinctly,
"Caw! Caw!")
From Richard ("Dick"?) Horrocks
> Like most people, I suspect, the first time I heard it I took it to be
> a song about his penis. I found it to be mildly embarrassing, mainly
> because it seemed a little childish. However on reflection it seems a
> more honest song then many "love" songs which are really about the same
> thing. After a few more listens, it occurred to me that it _almost_
> works as a song about a baby boy. It wouldn't surprise me to find that
> I reacted as Andy planned.
Being more the clean-minded sort, I originally saw it as a song about a
baby. But I couldn't get rid of the thought that the words applied
_almost_ equally well to a penis. Eww. I was afraid it was just my own
dirty mind (above disclaimer notwithstanding), and was quite relieved
when I read that it was _intended_ as double-entendre.
Is this (our differing perceptions) a girl-guy thing? Girls? Guys?
What do you say?
--Melissa "I too read (and enjoyed) the whole long Dunks post" Reaves
------------------------------ Message-Id: <199908290231.WAA05999@nantucket.net> Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 22:07:23 -0400 Subject: One More Time From: "Diamond" <arnos@nantucket.net> Just finished the chalkhills, it's 10:30 at night, I only got four and a half hours of sleep last ight, and I need to be at work tomorow at nine. Yet my devotion to XTC is making me write this before I turn in. <You can certainly argue his abilities, but there's no way you can dispute Cobain's influence> I know this thread is over, but just hear me out I hate Nirvana But, They were influental. You can't deny influence. If someone does something, and others copy them, they have influenced them Ricky martin is very influential.. to other "Latin" musicians (Notice how latin is in qoutation marks) Also, someone mentioned that Brian Eno's lyrics were profound. That'sinteresting, because he has said numerous times he doesn't care about the lyrics, he just picks lyrics that sound good with the music and that rhyme well. I forgot to mention parts of ES that I didn't like. The spoken part in Down In The Cockpit. That's it, that's the only bad part on the album (IMHO) wow, it's fun usinc acronyms when you know what they mean! What else... FFlynt scares me... Sesame Streat was hilarious... I like cheese... Well, that's about it. Except that I'd like everyone to tuck me in, cause I'm going to bed, and I'm going fast. G'night! Kevin Diamond, ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ PS Don't Let The Bed Bugs Bite Me!
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Message-Id: <v04003a00b3ee4564f8ab@[144.92.180.200]>
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 21:36:57 -0500
From: maggie jungwirth <mmjungwi@facstaff.wisc.edu>
Subject: A Hundred Heartbeats Hiiigh!
This is great- a thread about my favorite guilty pleasure- Pink Thang! I
listed this as my favorite song last week-that group consiousness thing
again- and how I love Andys *clever double entendres*, esp about my
favorite subject-sex. The first time I heard it I *knew* it was a penis
song- probably the most obvious penis song ever written in the history of
music. A great milestone. Second listen the baby double meaning became
obvious. Yes this is the cutest, happiest, sexiest song- I know it doesn't
seem possible to be all three at the same time.
Stroking a baby's/penis' head- love for your child/love of sex...ok,
this may be my Freudian over analysis, but if you think about this song a
million times like I have- it may even be dealing with every parents
dreaded uncomfortableness dealing with sex and their child...like when
fathers start to feel awkward with their daughters pubecence/sexuality. I
don't think was Andy's main intention with this innocent double meaning,
but in singing this song a bazillion times, thoughts cross your mind...
As a parent - and sinner(no not that way!), I identify with his
feelings of guilt/pleasure that Andy struggles with-happily. As you can
see, I can see alot of heavy s*** going on in the guise of this innocently
happy bouncy little tune. Quite the oxymoran, I think.
Or it could just be a song about a penis....either way, *I'd love you
for it!*
Maggie
*under mats of flower lava*
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Message-ID: <37C8C3D4.537BCEFE@tmbg.org>
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 01:23:40 -0400
From: Ben Gott/Loquacious Music <gott@tmbg.org>
Organization: http://listen.to/loquacious
Subject: PhXTC
Gang,
I *love* the Guitargonauts website. No, really...I've come a step closer
to nirvana (small "n") and have had at least one XTC dream fulfilled.
(Write privately if you'd like to know why and how.) Just go to the damn
site, OK?
Although I find Phish as mediore as the next guy, I must stand up and fight
off any critique of their 1993 album, "Rift." It was an in-between thing
for them, really, and it contains some of their best, most concise,
funniest, and most technically brilliant songs. The guitar solo in "Horn"
is worthy of the Dave Gregory seal of approval -- it's tasteful and
interesting and in the "Gregory" style -- and much of the album has that
XTC feel. That said, I can't stand the long, boring "live jam" sessions
that many enjoy so much...But, before you trash Phish, take a spin around a
used CD bin, and give "Rift" a listen. Production like buttah, baby.
I'm going to Bowdoin on Monday to start my junior year. In case anyone's
interested, this marks my fourth year on Chalkhills. Yikes.
Amanda: I want it fast, and I want it with feeling.
-Ben
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------------------------------ From: OMBEAN1@aol.com Message-ID: <852c8116.24fa1db6@aol.com> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 01:23:02 EDT Subject: synth 2 Yo, We can go back to Drums & Wires for a synth. The Helicopter in Helicopter. To whomever read Dunks entire post, your money is on its way. There are a couple of nice hotels on Park Place & the Boardwalk you can buy with it. As for a non-XTC topic to discuss with XTC-- I would talk fly fishing with Colin. I'd even take him to some trout streams in the mountains of northern Pa. Toodles, Roger
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Message-Id: <199908291314.JAA14405@lima.epix.net>
From: "Michael Davies" <miser17@epix.net>
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 11:40:04 -0500
Subject: Elastic Purejoy
> And another question. While looking through cdnow, I found the
> following CD and was semi-intrigued:
>
> Dave Allen & Elastic Purejoy : Clutter Of Pop
>
> Is this the same Dave Allen from Gof4 and Shriekback fame? Does anyone
> have this CD? Is it any good?
Glenn McDonald's "The War Against Silence" reviews it.
http://www.furia.com/twas/twas0073.html
I've heard one Shriekback song, "Nemesis". ("Big black nemesis!
Parthenogenesis!") Is that a novelty song or a good example of their
work? I like it anyway.
Michael davies
miser17@epix.net
------------------------------ Message-Id: <199908291314.JAA14426@lima.epix.net> From: "Michael Davies" <miser17@epix.net> Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 12:03:46 -0500 Subject: List > What is the best XTC single that never was?... "Merely a Man" > Which is the best XTC song to be more or less a hidden gem (ie: it doesn't > receive the plaudits of other songs around it on an album etc)?... "Dear Madam Barnum" or "Paper and Iron" or "All of a Sudden (It's Too Late)". > What is the best lyric on AV1?... And what a year when the exams and crops all failed Of course you passed and you were never seen again We all grew and we got screwed and cut and nailed Then out of nowhere invitation in gold pen I always expect the last two lines of this to be "the mail", but it's better the real way. > The worst lyric on AV1?... All of "I'd Like That" > When you first heard the album, what did you think should have been the > first single?... Greenman > Which song on The Transistor Belt Sessions do you most prefer to the > original?... > > Which song on Transistor Belt Live in Concert does it the most for you?... N/A > What non-XTC subject would you most want to chat to Andy, Colin, Dave > about?... How their town has changed in their lifetimes. > What XTC subject Would You most like to discuss? Haphazard capitalization. > Which unreleased XTC song do you like best?... N/A > What are your 5 favourite XTC Songs (in no order)? Generals and Majors, Tissue Tigers, Train Running Low on Soul Coal, Take This Town, Peter Pumpkinhead, etc. Michael davies miser17@epix.net
------------------------------ Message-Id: <199908291314.JAA14466@lima.epix.net> From: "Michael Davies" <miser17@epix.net> Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 15:01:38 -0500 Subject: Fear is never boring > So what would all of *you* say if someone asked for your take on "Pink > Thing?" > > I would say it's about a penis. > I know it's supposed to be about Andy's son, too, but its so much more > fun to think that such a lovely song is about a dick. I always thought it was accepted that it was intended to have a double meaning. That sentence would be hard to translate into another language, at least for me. Michael davies miser17@epix.net
------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 14:23:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Misty Shock <mccrtny@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: Pink Thing Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.10.9908291404060.8340-100000@saul7.u.washington.edu> > What is the best XTC single that never was?... I Don't Want To Be Here/Pink Thing (catchy tune with accessible, but meaningful, lyrics, a rarity for XTC) > Which is the best XTC song to be more or less a hidden gem (ie: it doesn't > receive the plaudits of other songs around it on an album etc)?... > All of a Sudden Good choice! My favorite instance of Colin on bass! > What is the best lyric on AV1?... I'd smile so much my face would crack in two Then you could kiss it with your kissing glue (Yes, I'm a sap somewhere deep down) > The worst lyric on AV1?... ? Maybe something from I Can't Own Her > When you first heard the album, what did you think should have been the > first single?... Easter Theater > Which song on The Transistor Belt Sessions do you most prefer to the > original?... You're the Wish You Are I Had > Which song on Transistor Belt Live in Concert does it the most for you?... Generals and Majors > What non-XTC subject would you most want to chat to Andy, Colin, Dave > about?... Gee, I don't know. Would I have the guts? > What XTC subject Would You most like to discuss? AV2 > Which unreleased XTC song do you like best?... Goosey Goosey, Everything, I Don't Want To Be Here > What are your 5 favourite XTC Songs (in no order)? Great Fire, Yacht Dance, Senses Working Overtime, Are You Receiving Me, You're the Wish You Are I Had Misty Shock mccrtny@u.washington.edu "No round of drinks can extinguish this feeling of love and engulfing bliss." --Andy Partridge
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From: "Mark Strijbos" <mmello@knoware.nl>
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 23:50:06 +0200
Subject: Digging For Gold
Message-Id: <19990829215004.61B2CA6CDD@mail.knoware.nl>
Chalkers,
One final thought :
> Last night, I dreamt that Terry Chambers was digging for gold
> nuggets in my backyard, while telling me how shitty he thought
> "Mummer" was
ROTFL!
> (but that's just his opinion)
he's got a point though...
Another final thought:
> "most overlooked XTC song"
Pulsing Pulsing and Tissue Tigers come to mind
T.T. in particular is a wonderful track and should have been included
on English Settlement instead of Fly On The Wall - not one of Colin's
best IMHO...
yours in xtc,
Mark Strijbos at The Little Lighthouse
http://www.knoware.nl/users/mmello/
or http://come.to/xtc
------------------------------ Message-Id: <199908300029.UAA16862@nantucket.net> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 20:04:53 -0400 Subject: Good Nights Sleep From: "Diamond" <arnos@nantucket.net> One Last post, it's the next day, by the way. I had a good nights sleep, thanks. Anyway, I think the most overlooked track, at least by me, is The Man Who Sailed Around His Soul. I love that song, but I always forget it. Also, I've been listening to Rag And Bone Buffet recently, and I wanted to know what everyone thought the best song on that "Album" is, as well the worst. i think the best is eitherPulsing Pulsing, Extrovert, orToo Many Cooks In The Kitchen (Odd that Colin was the first member of XTC to think of using an alias. You would think that Andy was the first.) anyway, i think the worst is probably either Cockpit Dance Mixture, or Countdown to Christmas Party Time. But there are a lot of great songs on this song, like "The World Is Full..." "Heaven is Paved..." "Punch and Judy", and I love The History Of Rock And Roll. Plus, Scissor Man and Another Sataliette are great versions, though I don't like this version of Respectable street. i like the "Dirty" version. I also like the cover art of this album a lot. Wow, I wrote more then I thoughti was going to write. I'll go, then. Kevin Diamond
------------------------------ Date: 30 Aug 99 11:29:23 AES From: Paul.Culnane@dcita.gov.au Subject: if you don't start living well... Message-ID: <0002ismiyigm.0002hbjjplfv@dcita.gov.au> There's been a fair bit of debate lately about genetically modified foods and similar scary things. He's a snippet of lyrics from "Scarecrow People" (O&L, 1989): "Hope you enjoyed your meal it's only gas and chemicals, we thought that you'd prefer something not nature made" As usual, the prescient and perspicacious Partridge prevails! ~p@ul
------------------------------ Message-ID: <19990830022644.62459.qmail@hotmail.com> From: "SHIRANUI Densuke" <denshi@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: bootleg Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:26:43 JST Brian Wysolmierski <bwysol@netscape.net> wrote: >Does anybody know how to get the Apple Venus Demos cd from Biz Graffiti? I hear it can be ordered on the Web site http://www.gold-tokyo.com/, but I have never tried it and please note that I am not confident of your success. Thank you,
------------------------------ Message-ID: <19990830040130.23162.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 21:01:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Jon Rosenberger <wile1coyote@yahoo.com> Subject: Sheesh Give Dave a Break ...Part Two From Chalk 259 """ NOT wanting to hire their now-manager. . . . . . isn't negative, so be it. Plus, these are facts not gospel. <SNIP> If A & C were the cake-makers then Dave was the decorator . . . and a fine decorator at that. Andy B.""" I will refrain from argueing against the myriad of failures of logic in this post. All but one. Fact number three I believe (I will admit that I could be wrong but I don't think so) XTC currently DO NOT have a manager. So what are you talking about Andy? Decorator Indeed <Harumph to that> Good Day Sir! the mole has left the building
------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 23:54:55 -0400 Subject: A funny thought Message-ID: <19990830.000142.-447045.1.MollyFa@juno.com> From: Molly E Fanton <mollyfa@juno.com> After reading Tyler's post about AV2 and hard rock. I just got something funny in my brain. What if XTC turned heavy metal? Yeah, Andy singing a good head banging song. Get this thought out of my brain. I don't picture him doing heavy metal. He's no Ted Nugent or Angus Young (AC/DC). :P Molly
------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 23:51:09 -0400 Subject: Here We Go :) Message-ID: <19990830.000142.-447045.0.MollyFa@juno.com> From: Molly E Fanton <mollyfa@juno.com> Here are my answers to this wonderful poll. John R. hide your eyes. :) What is the best XTC single that never was?... Grass/Jump (These two songs are my two fave songs from them. I don't have a good reason why I like them though.) Which is the best XTC song to be more or less a hidden gem (ie: it doesn't receive the plaudits of other songs around it on an album etc)?... Jump What is the best lyric on AV1?... "Just like a mad dog you're chasing your tail in a circle" The worst lyric on AV1?... "Spraying my buds." (Just because I always think Colin's singing, "Spraying my butt." :) When you first heard the album, what did you think should have been the first single?... Your Dictionary (Oh, that would be interesting to see what the FCC would do) What non-XTC subject would you most want to chat to Andy, Colin, Dave about?... What TV shows do they watch? What XTC subject Would You most like to discuss? What's they're favorite song(s)? Which unreleased XTC song do you like best?... I'm not sure, I haven't heard many. What are your 5 favourite XTC Songs (in no order)? Oh this is very hard. Grass Jump Chalkhills & Children Harvest Festival Then She Appeared I could go on and on and on. Phew, that was hard. :P John R. might think survey's are bogus, but at least it makes people talk about XTC. :) Molly
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From: Iain.Murray.70428176@army.defence.gov.au
Message-Id: <4A2567DD.0012094A.00@stagemaster.army.defence.gov.au>
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 13:29:31 +1000
Subject: SEC: UNCLASSIFIED:-Re: New List
>>From: "David Seddon" <D.Seddon@btinternet.com>
>>Subject: New list
>>I feel another list coming on (better take a tablet for it!). We don't
>>seem to have had one for a long time, so here goes:
This could be fun.....
>>What is the best XTC single that never was?...
Earn Enough For Us, followed by Beatown.
>>Which is the best XTC song to be more or less a hidden gem (ie: it
doesn't
>>receive the plaudits of other songs around it on an album etc)?...
Dear Madam Barnum.
>>What is the best lyric on AV1?...
"What a year when the exams and crops all failed".
>>The worst lyric on AV1?...
Umm....can't think of one off the top of my head. The original suggestion
("Now that I can talk, all your corn I'll reap") would be pretty close,
though.
>>When you first heard the album, what did you think should have been the
>>first single?...
I'd Like That.
>>Which song on The Transistor Belt Sessions do you most prefer to the
>>original?...
Life Begins At The Hop.
>>Which song on Transistor Belt Live in Concert does it the most for
you?...
This Is Pop.
>>What non-XTC subject would you most want to chat to Andy, Colin, Dave
>>about?...
No idea, sorry - I know it's only hypothetical, but I'd be too much of a
dribbling mess to have an in-depth discussion about anything....
>>What XTC subject Would You most like to discuss?
The Colonel C**t Hat.
>>Which unreleased XTC song do you like best?...
I Don't Wanna Be Here (AV2?)
>>What are your 5 favourite XTC Songs (in no order)?
Earn Enough For Us, Beating Of Hearts, That Wave, Easter Theatre,
Complicated Game.
Iain
------------------------------ Message-ID: <028301bef2a3$bc66d740$a6b622cf@MyComputer.intergate.bc.ca> From: "Raymond Aoki" <raoki@intergate.bc.ca> Subject: Real Audio XTC Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 21:54:12 -0700 Greetings from Vancouver, Canada. Been lurking on the list for a few months now...finally mustered the courage to say something. Been a fan of XTC since Black Sea. Never saw them live...have rarely seen them on the telly...have never heard any of their infamous demos that are floating around...don't know if I want to, actually. Anyways, it has certainly been enlightening reading about everyone's opinions on AV1...looking forward to Homespun and AV2, like everyone else. For the record, IMHO, 1999 has been a great year for music simply because XTC has released AV1 (as well as the Easter Theatre and I'd Like That singles, too!) "Your Dictionary" would be my choice as the hit single...short...to the point...controversial...have played it to non-XTC fans (including some divorcees...yikes) and everyone has loved it. In Vancouver, AV1 got a pretty good push from TVT. Sam's Downtown was sold out of stock after 3 days...they advertised the release in the local papers...reached #17 on their billboard. Virgin MegaStore were giving away posters signed by AP with each purchase...apparently they were leftovers from their appearance at their store in Toronto. Got great reviews from the local papers...I think you can find them on the chalkhills website from other members. Even a local Co-op radio station were giving away free copies of AV1 if one gave a donation and became a member. Enough babbling...stumbled upon a hilarious interview on Real Audio from radio station WXRT in Chicago...circa O&L acoustic radio tour 1989...excellent acoustic version of "Mayor of Simpleton." Here's the link: http://www.wxrt.com/sounds/xrtfiles/ Enjoy! If this has been mentioned previously, my apologies to all. Back to lurking... Best regards, Ray
------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 12:20:09 +0200 (MET DST) From: Martin van Rappard <rappard@dds.nl> Subject: AV1 commercial bootleg Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.90.990830121748.26478C-100000@fatima.dds.nl> Brian Wysolmierski <bwysol@netscape.net> asked: > Does anybody know how to get the Apple Venus Demos cd from Biz Graffiti? At around the same time I got an e-mail from cyberseekers, saying they had updated their site, and guess what was listed? Check http://www.cyberseekers.com Whoaah, actual XTC content! Everybody happy? Martin
------------------------------ Message-Id: <l03130301b3f014539fdc@[208.13.202.47]> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 07:09:09 -0400 From: "Christopher R. Coolidge" <cauldron@together.net> Subject: Ghoti Though I'm not a huge Phish phan, I do have a couple of their early albums, before they got larger than life on the concert circuit. I can see the point about musical masturbation, but anyone who's at one of their shows who isn't stoned would notice their off-the wall sense of humor. Jon Fishman their drummer especially; I have friends who've met him(including my brother), and they all concur the guy is a living breathing embodiment of Zippy The Pinhead, speaking in non-sequiturs. They're all huge Zappa fans too, which I don't think you can accuse any of the members of the Dreadful Grate of being. And the Dreadful Grate could never be accused of having a sense of humor either. Plus I've a feeling at least one of them is an XTC fan, probably Trey, who reportedly listens to the likes of Pavement in his spare time. So if you don't like their music, fine, but like 'em or not they're one of the few bands nowadays who sound like nobody else. And I'd still like them to cover English Settlement in its entirety this Halloween. Christopher R. Coolidge Homepage at http://homepages.together.net/~cauldron/homepage.html "A Great law protects me from the government. The Bill of rights has 10 GREAT laws. A Good law protects me from you. Laws against murder, theft, assault and the like are good laws. A Poor law attempts to protect me from myself." - Unknown
------------------------------ Message-ID: <19990830123834.25483.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 05:38:34 -0700 (PDT) From: nross <phoenixyellowrose@rocketmail.com> Subject: I talk too much, you know I never shut up! This is in response to Simon's post answering Todd's question on the order of AV1: Simon wrote: >>>Your Dictionary: (Obviously) Divorce (admittedly a bit of a jump from puberty, but just assume that the first 4 songs came in between again)<<< If you are attempting consistency in your "order" and you feel that Divorce is a big jump from Greenman's puberty... you could choose to interpret Dictionary as "a coming of age" song, rather than divorce. In "coming of age", I mean that after puberty, before you become "adult" (whatever that means), there is that stage where everything that was once rosey is now dead to you. You become cynical and bitter. If you think of Your dictionary in these terms, it fits nicely into you order of songs on AV1. Of course, its about divorce. cynical me never passed into adulthood. -Cheers! -Nicole === Of course the *real* work was done by a team of God's grad student flunkies, working under enormous pressure to get the job done in three days because God had waited until Wednesday to tell them it was due on Saturday. (oh, my! if you all only knew...)
------------------------------ From: unna@worldmailer.com Date: 30 Aug 1999 07:18:08 -0700 Message-ID: <19990830141808.13755.cpmta@c008.sfo.cp.net> Subject: Re: Something Phishy Whew! I'm scorched! Jason, why so hostile! And wrought with generalizations about the people who might enjoy the music! Maybe Phish does seem annoying at first, alot like Frank Zappa can seem annoying. But whats so wrong with school taught musicians loving to play complex and technical songs? It sounds like you haven't really given Phish a chance, but who says you have to? But you know, alot of bands that are really great seem to require 3rd or even 4th listenings before you pick up their ideas. Or maybe there are other factors contributing to your intense dislike, who knows? Oh well, far be it from me to try to take away your personal hatred for a band and their fans, and may your sweeping generalizations serve you well in judging people by their musical tastes.
------------------------------ Message-Id: <199908301512.LAA19336@lima.epix.net> From: "Michael Davies" <miser17@epix.net> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:11:51 -0500 Subject: Anonymouse > up and use as a sort of jumping-off point. For that reason, I've always > felt Concrete Blonde didn't get the recognition they deserved for helping > kick off that movement--they were a fresh, vital band back then, and their > take on "Everybody Knows" was the song that made most newcomers, it seems > to me, want to buy the album. (And I, being fatally un-hip both then and > now, was thrilled that one of the few contemporary bands I loved was > getting such recognition.) So give Cobain the trophy, but at least invite > Johnette Napolitano to the reception afterwards. I never knew Concrete Blonde was such a big band. I thought their only hit was "Joey, I'm Not Angry Anymore". > Then there's a variant version, > "Writing about music is like dancing about architecture." I've heard this quote at least a dozen times, and I'd never heard it as "*talking* about music" until someone on this list said it. I think "Writing" makes more sense. Michael davies miser17@epix.net
------------------------------ Message-ID: <19990830151632.47980.qmail@hotmail.com> From: "Duncan Kimball" <dunks58@hotmail.com> Subject: Streams of Unconsiousness Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 08:16:31 PDT Fit the First: let me get all complimentary on the Chalky ass of Wayne <WTDK@aol.com> (Subject: Re: Scathe On!) >While I can see Dom's point, I have to disagree. Vigorously. Taking a >business course, understanding contract and where the money comes and goes >wouldn't necessarily jade musicians than they already are (particularly >those that are unjustly ripped off). All you need to do is look at the >variety of bands that, due to lack of business acumen, lost possession of >their music and allowed others to exploit it even more. <snip> >The list of musicians that didn't take any business course or learn from >the business litter the airwaves of oldies and rock stations throughout the >country. It's called protecting one's interest including their artistic >integrity. Succinctly put, my lad!, and regrettably all too true. Badfinger are one of the most egregious (and sad) cases, but it's everywhere. Australia is of course no exception, our own rock history being littered with the wreckage of could-have-been-brilliant careers. The Easybeats are a perfect example - despite an unprecedented string of Aussie chart hits and their landmark 1966 international Top 10 with Friday On My Mind, the band folded in 1969 leaving principal songrwriters Vanda & Young in debt to the tune (boom! boom!) of some $85,000 (a figure you could safely multiply by ten if you want to get some idea of today's value). Taking up Wayne's point about learning - it was the learning curves occasioned by the various catastrophic failures and rip-offs of their respective earlier bands that learned the members of Little River Band how to achieve the overseas success so many others had dreamed of. * * * Our next contestant is: >fflynt <fflynt@yahoo.com> >Subject: andrew partridge ate my anima >i'm not a fan of xtc. i used to be, but i've become a musician/songwriter >myself and you can't be a fan and a musician/ >songwriter at the same time, because to every musician/songwriter all other >musicians/songwriters are rivals. Ummm try telling that to Elvis Costello ... or Andy! <snip> >fflynt on the way to the slammer, writing on a borrowed laptop, thank you >pc mcgregor. What was all that about??? fflynt, I beg you - use some punctuation and hey - maybe even try a paragraph now and then? It works wonders. (Face it babe - that ee cummings stuff is SO over). Next lesson, we'll get to work on the content. In the meantime, just keep taking the tablets. * * * At this point, I'd like to say (with all due respect to the imminently non-bacheloric Iain Murray) that ... LISTS SUCK!!! I have written stroppy emails to Mojo about it. I have stopped buying Q for that very reason. As far as music magazines are concerned, it's a cheap, lazy and singularly unimaginative way to fill editorial space that should be devoted to real stories. Excluding Crowded House, I am yet to see one decent article in Mojo covering any aspect of Australian music - yet barely a month seems to go by without another moronic "100 Greatest Something-or-others of All Time". Needless to say, this silly phenomenon flourishes because it pleases our vanity with its easy appeal to our belief in the superiority of our own good taste, and our compulsive need to rank and categorise. It is in effect the print equivalent of talkback radio - i.e. exploiting the audience while giving the appearance of inclusion - but in fact it saying (and meaning) nothing. * * * >From: hiner1@uakron.edu >Subject: xtc in vietnam >Can anybody think of any >songs that have dealt with Vietnam in the last 20 or so years? If so, >could you send them privately to me? Any and all help would be greatly >appreciated. Does Australian music count? Prolly not, or I would suggest Redgum's "I Was Only Nineteen", which deals quite explicity with the experiences of Vietnam veterans. Back across the Big Pond, there is of course Broooooce "Born In The USA" Spingsteen. There must be hundreds. Over to you, Brian's Trust Dunks
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