Chalkhills Digest Volume 5, Issue 329
Date: Monday, 6 December 1999
Chalkhills Digest, Volume 5, Number 329
Monday, 6 December 1999
Today's Topics:
new guy
Big Willie Style and First Degree Byrne's
Films, Joe Jackson and a perfectly innocent question
twisted old punks
LATE ANAGRAM UPDATE
ten (not the movie)
various threads/thoughts, part 1
John has made me see the lite
country fan
Ringo Chambers
Huh?
sickle cycle
Aimee Mann/Minster Hill (No XTC content)
Goodbye, Satanas; Hello, Cargill
Rumblings & Ramblings
Re: Thank God! or, Spot the Troll
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---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bozmn@intercom.net Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19991205210252.006ced10@shore.intercom.net> Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 16:02:52 -0500 Subject: new guy Hi there, I've decided to finally say something. I've been reading chalkhills for a month or two, but I haven't had the urge to post until now. I'm not sure why. anyway, I'm 17; I haven't been into XTC for very long, but thanks to my obsessiveness about music, I already have 7 of their albums: ES, Mummer, Skylarking (first one I heard), O&L, Nonsuch, AVv1, and the Dukes' album (my brother also has Waxworks); also, about the only thing on my Christmas (even if it's supposed to be in spring or summer or whatever) list is Transistor Blast. I play bass, and coincidentally my favorite member of XTC is Colin, because I like his bass playing, his voice, and his songwriting (yes, I like him more than Andy--deal with it). Simple, n'est-ce pas? Another topic that's come up on here is the best-of-'99 lists. my favorite '99 albums (actually, these are all the '99 albums I've bought, but...) are in no particular order: Flaming Lips - Soft Bulletin XTC - Apple Venus v.1 Ben Folds Five - Unauthorized Biography... Yes - The Ladder Billy Sherwood - The Big Peace King Crimson - Cirkus Guster - Lost & Gone Forever That's about it. Don't hate me because I like prog-rock (or for my spotty capitalization, for that matter)! Cole
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Message-Id: <199912052337.SAA25067@nantucket.net>
Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 17:44:40 -0800
Subject: Big Willie Style and First Degree Byrne's
From: "Diamond" <arnos@nantucket.net>
Will J,
I really agree with your post in the last chalkhills. I, too, don't
drink, and, I must say, I am probably one of only five kids in my high
school who don't drink. (although there are only 300 kids in my school,
so...) I really have always thought that anyone who needs to take
anything, be it drugs, alcohol, whatever, just to be happy really aren't
trying very hard. I especially feel this way with with drugs. The hippies
who took drugs to "expand thier conciousness," I feel were actually doing
more harm then anything. I see it as a limiting factor, and a sign that
one is week if they have to take drugs to understand things better. A
truley strong person (mentally) Doesn't need drugs to understand
things. They should be able to handle things in thier life without the aid
of "concious-expanding materials." Then again, those drugs DID influence
some great music...Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds
Also, My friend bought me a David Byrne live video called Beneath the
Teeth, and I must recomend it to anyone who likes David Byrne's solo
stuff, as well as anyone who likes good direction. Personally, I think
that this live movie is just as good as Stop Making Sense.
Does anyone know if they ever released an album of the music on this
movie? If so, I want to but it. I haven't seen anything about one on David
Byrnes web-sight, though...
Kevin Diamond, Before and After Science (Homework)
* __________________________________________________________________________
"To emphasize the afterlife is to deny life. To concentrate on heaven is to
create hell."
-Tom Robbins
------------------------------ From: Iain.Murray.70428176@army.defence.gov.au Message-Id: <4A25683F.0003991E.00@stagemaster.army.defence.gov.au> Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 10:48:11 +1000 Subject: Films, Joe Jackson and a perfectly innocent question >>From: "David Seddon" <D.Seddon@btinternet.com> >>Subject: Old memories, kids and films >>Also what's your fav film of the Millennium? For me, it'd be a three-way tie between "The Last Waltz", "Doctor Strangelove" and "This Is Spinal Tap". >>From: Tyler Hewitt <tahewitt@yahoo.com> >>Subject: the country sounds of XTC >>One more thing: >>Say it aint so, Iain! I really like Big World a lot! >>Most of the songs are pretty good, the only misfire is >>the lame recording process involved. Laughter & Lust >>is a better example of a misfire, IMHO. Sorry. I haven't heard "Laughter And Lust" as yet, probably because I've never heard anyone say anything good about it. "Big World" sounds a bit flabby to me - I think it would have been more listenable (at least, to my one good ear) as a single album rather than an album-and-a-half. >>From: Jeremy Cargill <musician@publicist.com> >>Subject: Thank God! >>I don't like anything >>by XTC prior to Skylarking. Forgive me if this sounds like a wind-up, or personal abuse - I assure you it's just a question : If you don't like anything by XTC before "Skylarking" (a period which, let's face it, covers the bulk of their catalogue), why are you on this list? Perhaps we can convert you over time.... Iain
------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 12:13:04 +1100 From: Sebastien Maury 02 9950 3315 <maury.sebastien@a2.abc.net.au> Subject: twisted old punks Message-id: <E1105IFM2QB3I*/R=A1/R=ABCNET/U=MAURYS6G/@MHS> Could be a retrospective album title for XTC. Just kidding. Mark mused about the Joe/Elvis dilemma. Having seen Elvis twice and Joe twice, I'm prepared to offer a qualified tie. I saw Elvis in 1991 in a large stadium. His keyboards had been damaged and he was obviously pissed off. He played about 80 minutes then buggered off. Some of it was good. He *was* my favourite singer songwriter of the moment after Spike and Mighty Like a Rose, and the experience was fairly abject, to say the least. Joe on the other hand, delivered in spades the same year. He played a much smaller and plusher venue, and amazed me with his constant reinvention of familiar songs, pushing the structures, harmonies, and arrangements to the very limits, at times, of recognition. This was underpinned by his talented instrumental abilities, and an acknowledgment of just how to manage his fascinating but admittedly limited voice. Smashing evening at the theatre. I saw Joe again in about 1995 or 6 on the back of his quieter album of that year, and in anyone else's hands, the material could have appeared lame and the evening would have most likely been a tedious waste of time. But somehow, JJ's appealing performing persona managed to keep things fresh and interesting. The material of the time certainly foreshadowed the interestingly diverse sprawl of Heaven and Hell (just why it's on a classical record label I don't know-those A&R folk must *really* have been desparate to tap into the dreaded "crossover" market), and the current Symphony (or at least I assume so, as I have not yet heard it-anyone have any thoughts on it?). So a qualified success. Elvis Costello's' crowning achievement this decade has been the sterling collaboration with Burt Bacharach on the Painted From Memory CD. The swirling, romanticism and heavily orchestrated clarity of BB meld wonderfully with the acid tongue and yearning tenor of EC. His voice, while never classically "good" I think is stronger now than it has ever been and his arching, aching, expressive high notes are extraordinary. Which brings me to Elvis Costello world tour 98-99. As many would know, Elvis decided to eschew the full shebang of the album for parts of his tour (including Australia) and simply take Mr Naive (sic) to provide piano only arrangements of songs old and new. My evening in Her Majesty's Theatre with a few friends threatened to obliterate any other concert experience I'd ever had. I was lucky enough to be in the front row there and as he finished with a beautiful unaccompanied, unmiked lament with a soft spot, I was moved by an art of a master. Truly stunning. Needless to say, I saw him twice, hang the expense. Best $50 I ever spent. So the conclusions are...inconclusive! What a pity I couldn't have devoted the same space and enthusiasm to Andy's vocal style and Colin's bassing. Keep dreaming Seb. Cheers, and thanks to all the kind people who e-mailed me with ideas for procuring and offers to provide, Homespun. I have my Japanese import. How good is the packaging?!!! 2 booklets, transcriptions, extra tracks. I'm in heaven. Seb.
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Message-Id: <199912060352.WAA12329@nantucket.net>
Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 21:59:09 -0800
Subject: LATE ANAGRAM UPDATE
From: "Diamond" <arnos@nantucket.net>
Kevin Diamond=
Venom Kid: An Id
Man, I'd do Kevin
Dim, Vain end. OK?
I've no damn kid
Man Devoid Kin
and, my personal fav, since I live on Nantucket Island (Nan) Which is a
boring, boring place to live,:
Nan Kid, I'd move!
Thanks. Now goodbye.
Kevin Diamond
P.S. Anagram = A Granma
____________________________________________________________________________
"To emphasize the afterlife is to deny life. To concentrate on heaven is to
create hell."
-Tom Robbins
------------------------------ From: hiner1@uakron.edu Message-ID: <384B37D5.55AE9072@uakron.edu> Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 23:13:09 -0500 Subject: ten (not the movie) Again, I want to extend a thank you to those who passed along more songs about Vietnam. On my post when I listed the songs, I forgot a line: I do have Frankie Goes to Hollywood and stuff by the Minutemen included. Frankie was (were?) the first "real" concert I saw back in the dark ages of 1984. I mentioned this to my class one day, and 3/4 of them stared at me as if I had just dropped the old drawers and shat on my textbook. "Frankie who?" The other 1/4 were older, "non-traditional" students who pretended they didn't know who Frankie were (was?). Anyway, our local rag (the Akron Beacon-Journal) has been soliciting people to send in their "Top Ten Albums of the 90s" for some time, and I have been resisting until this point, but today I mailed one along with 15 entrees (just couldn't cut it down). Since everyone on Chalkhills has been posting their top 10 of 1999 (I spent most of the year buying older material to complete my collection - stuff from Magazine, Gang of 4, Chelsea, Big Country, etc), I thought I would forward my top 15 of the decade, and start a new thread! Genius! 15. Mighty Mighty Bosstones - Let's Face It 14. Weezer - Weezer 13. Nirvana - Nevermind 12. Dead Milkmen - Metaphysical Graffiti 11. Ramones - Adios Amigos 10. Echo and the Bunnymen - Evergreen 9. XTC - Apple Venus 8. David Byrne - Feelings 7. Breeders - Last Splash 6. Gang of Four - Mall 5. Cibo Matto - Viva La Woman 4. Elvis Costello - Brutal Youth 3. Buzzcocks - All Set! 2. They Might Be Giants - Flood 1. XTC - Nonsuch And FYI - any Chalkhillians in the Akron area searching for "Homespun" may find it at Digital Daze; they also had a copy of the "Disappointed" CD single, "Peter Pumpkinhead" CD single, and the bootleg "This Is Live" CD, which is actually just the BBC Radio One Live (as seen in Transistor Blast) minus "Nigel" and "Are You...," but with a fairly decent live version of "I'll Set Myself on Fire" instead. -- -Matt Hiner University of Akron Lakeland Community College hiner1@uakron.edu . . "Brain and brain! What is brain?"
------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19991206005646.0070e8dc@mail.interlog.com> Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 00:56:46 -0500 From: David Oh <davidoh@interlog.com> Subject: various threads/thoughts, part 1 some comments on recent threads, for what it's worth (and it is a long post, so page down if you must): ---------- country music: just not to my liking, i'm afraid. the closest i've come to buying "country" records is neil young (notable discs: "harvest" and "comes a time") and a couple by the eagles (not that they are 'real country' - sort of pseudo-country). i do have respect for the likes of old schoolers such as wille nelson, waylon jennings and johnny cash, as well as new wavers such as lyle lovett and steve earle, but i'd never buy one of their records. it (country music) just doesn't turn my crank. btw, did you know that if you play a country record backwards, the girl comes back, the pick-up truck gets fixed and the dog comes back to life! ;-) ---------- "astronauts & heretics": chris vreeland wrote that he listened to this thomas dolby disc at work one day. i had just changed a few discs in my car's cd changer (a 10 disc unit) a few days before his post. among other changes, i replaced my recently purchased copy of "alien's ate my buick" with "astronauts & heretics" and i've been enjoying it anew. does anyone else like this album, too? or even, are their other dolby fans amongst us? it is a shame he's too wrapped up in running headspace to even think about making a new record. according to "the flat earth" website (the url eludes me at the moment), he has no desire to record any more music for release under his own name. that's too bad, as i thought that, with each album, he was getting better and better, but alas... ---------- "melt the guns": dunks, i quite agree with your stance on freedom from and freedom to. i have 2 things to say on the topic of guns. 1. in the 'song stories' book, andy says, "i just really abhor guns. they are for one thing - killing. they're not for shooting targets, that's just to keep you in practice to make you more efficient at killing... america's love of guns still disgusts me. i am the anti-ted nugent. but it's not anti-american, it's anti-guns. i like americans a lot". i think that explains it all, really. however... 2. love them or hate them, the red hot chili peppers have often been dismissed as sexist, misogynistic knuckleheads. however, if you can get past the "socks on cocks" and the "special secret song inside", they have made some poignant comments and observations in the past, as well as some really kick-ass music. flea, bassist-extrordinaire, made the following announcement at woodstock 99: "hey! if you have, at home, or in your car, or under your bed, or in your pocket... if you have a gun, be sure to throw it away! throw it in the garbage! just get the fuck rid of it, okay? we don't need that shit!" sure, he was buck-assed-naked when he said this and his words sound kind of silly they way he said them (throw it away... throw it in the garbage), and yes, there were rioters and arsonists running amok as he was saying this, but the essense of what he was saying is very similar to what andy is saying in "melt the guns" - get rid of them. all of them! the sooner, the better, too. ---------- "no thugs in our house": it baffles me that some of you are only now understanding some of the lyrics to this song. i've always thought it was very clear what andy was saying about racism, parental denial and the justice system. then again, there are some songs where i'm uncertain about what exactly andy really means, so i'll forgive you. and no, i won't embarrass myself by revealing what songs i don't understand... ---------- "'harrison' and the argonauts": i loved your observation on this song and its use of the flanging. i can play a little guitar, but i certainly don't know shit about the theory behind music, so it was nice to have it explained to me. also this: >This all reminds me of an interview I once read with Spike Jones's son, who said (I paraphrase from memory), "Dad was a stickler for detail. If he wanted to put a gunshot into a song in place of a C sharp, it had to be a C sharp gunshot--or it sounded awful." i'm pleasantly surprised to hear of someone else who has heard of spike jones, nevermind actually hearing his music. my dad played spike's records way back when i was "knee-high to a grasshopper" and for anyone who hasn't heard them, it's great stuff. clever, inventive cartoon-like music, without being cartoonish in any way. ---------- fave beatle/xtc member: >Almost everyone (well, from my generation) had a favorite Beatle. Who is your favorite member of XTC and why? Andy is my predictable choice although I always root for the underdog as well. Maybe it's his haircut that appeals to me. not list as favourites, but this is the way i see it: andy = john colin = paul dave = george terry = keith moon?!? (well, for approach and aggressiveness rather than actual similarities, technique-wise. really hard bashers, though, both of them. i certainly wouldn't put ringo in the same category as those two) but what do i know, anyroad? |:-) ---------- Steve Oleson asked for thoughts on andy's genius, plus fave xtc moments: i've always found it interesting that andy puts some of the loudest, most abrasive noises, or odd chord voicings, up against some off his loveliest melodies. example: in 'i bought myself a liarbird', he follows "all i can say..." with the exquisite "methinks the world is for you...", and then back to brash with "... or the back of this record sleeve". another example is from 'the ugly underneath", with the harsh (ugly?) verses sung over descending chords resolving into the lovely chorus melody. beautiful! there are many more, but i've too much to say on other threads. as for my fave xtc moment, there are just too many to list, but i will say (again) that, in 'i can't own her', the strings coming up from under "like the swirling skies" gives me chill bumps, a lump in my throat and can, in certain circumstances, make my eyes well-up with emotion - a rare moment for me. the same phenomenon sometimes occurs with "chalkhills and children" and "wrapped in grey". ---------- From: Craig Vreeken <CVreekn@ns.net> Subject: Best of 99 >Also, I think these should be limited strictly to releases from this year (either new or reissued), as opposed to just something you bought this year. i disagree. why should it only be restricted to new releases or reissues? why does it have to be "the best of...", why can't it be "favourite purchases of...". sometimes, i've rediscovered a great, older, album by purchasing a new copy or up grading to cd. i don't like "best of" lists, i prefer "favourites" because "best" is an opinion, while "favourite" is a preference. ---------- From: "John Lerfald" <jlerfal@uswest.com> Subject: Re: It's Not Your Granma > Davidoh, Since you seem conscientious about your grammar/usage, I thought I would risk petulance by asking: Are you sure "vis-a-vis" is appropriate in the following sentence? >to answer your question, vis-a-vis a cappella versions of xtc songs according to the concise oxford dictionary, 1990 edition: vis-a-vis: 1. in relation to as this was the context i was using it in, to answer your question; yes, i think it is appropriate. i just couldn't add the accent above "a". ---------- i have more to say about other things, but i've decided to break it down into two posts to save bandwidth. peace & xtc, davidoh
------------------------------ Message-ID: <384B557C.BD294AA7@gte.net> Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 22:19:44 -0800 From: Randy Hiatt <rhiatt@gte.net> Subject: John has made me see the lite John Boudreau said (in that demonic way), "The stylistic direction, dynamics, and emotions are filtered through the drummer. He is the catcher to whom the pitcher/songwriter is throwing." wow, your entire Terry & Ringo thing....you say that stuff good!.. and your right about alot of it. so now I must give up playing drums. Randy (short stick) Hiatt http://members.tripod.com/RandyHiatt/
------------------------------ Message-ID: <384B5734.276A3F4@home.com> Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 01:27:01 -0500 From: Mark Newberg <mhnewberg@home.com> Organization: @Home Network Subject: country fan I don't if anyone else considers Mary-Chapin Carpenter to be in the country genre, but her cd 'Stones In The Road' is a favorite of mine. In fact, I don't think she has put out a bad disc yet. -- "Mankind IS my business" - Dickens Mark Newberg
------------------------------ From: JEFFREY.THOMAS.JT@bayer-ag.de Subject: Ringo Chambers Message-Id: <0006800017816090000002L002*@MHS> Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 14:16:25 +0100 Hi "Kreideberger", John "Boudleau-san" Boudreau wrote some very interesting observations about Terry and Ringo in #237. Good to hear from a Ringo fan! Ringo was incredibly close to metronomic *most* of the time (and, rarely, apallingly off, like "You Won't See Me") and also able to come up with incredibly good fills and very "melodic" parts, but unfortunately, *often* appallingly off on that one. Some of his recordings, particularly in the solo years (either on his own or others' albums) are so unabashedly uninspired and lazy, it's sickening. Of course, one incredibly good song reminds you of how good he is. Like "When We Was Fab". Or "I Keep Forgettin'". Or "Hold On, Yoko/John". But there are entire albums where his uninspired playing annoys me to the point where I can't listen to him. Ringo seemed to lose the drive to be good after awhile, both in his own records (what was *really* good after "Ringo"? one or two songs per album...) and in his playing. Maybe it was all the alcohol, drugs, and nicotine; maybe he was just too famous for his own good. For me, it's a damn shame, considering the fascinating phases he went through as a Beatle. His playing in the late psychedelic days and during the "Let it Be"/"Abbey Road" days was awesome. Drums as a melodic instrument. He, like the Beatles in general, showed clearly that musicality wins out over technique. And his "left-handed/right-handed" fills set a standard that still lives on to this day. As for Terry, I feel he really came into the forefront when the producers realized what they had in him. For me, "White Music" and "Go 2" are albums with a proficient drummer, but "D&W", "BS" and "ES" are incredible. I do not, however, share the relatively common opinion Terry fans often have of the drummers that followed. In fact, I think each of them was excellent in his own right. Not Terry, but excellent. I honestly think people like Peter Phipps and Pat Mastellotto understood what Terry was doing. And I think the music itself changed as much as the drumming did -- i.e. even Terry would've sounded a lot different playing "Mummer" stuff. Nevertheless, if I were Andy or Colin, I would seriously consider giving Terry a shot at one of the next few albums. It sure would be interesting to hear what he could do with some of this new music. (And -- why not? -- since Dave is [very unfortunately] gone for good, maybe they could convince Barry to play some keys on AV2. Could be interesting...). - Jeff
------------------------------ From: JStrole@aol.com Message-ID: <0.89a82e01.257d1dc9@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 09:10:17 EST Subject: Huh? The XTC comment was based on someone liking "Blame The Weather." For whatever reason the copying of their quote did not show up on my post. <Ringo's ability to play odd time signatures> John, nice comments on Ringo. What about the ability to change time signitures such as in "Rain" (AP's favorite Beatles' track). Another good isolation on Ringo's drumming is the coda/fade-in of "Strawberry Fields." Most of the drummers I've ever played with always seem to knock Ringo's drumming, though I haven't come across too many that can play his style correctly. Harry
------------------------------ Message-ID: <003901bf3fbf$28379d20$cb38d2cc@bestuspc2.san.rr.com> From: "Bob Estus" <restus@san.rr.com> Subject: sickle cycle Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 23:54:37 -0800 Hills and Dales, Quick jot about country western influences and XTC. In Season Cycle I always crack up when I hear, what I perceive as, a country western guitar flare at the end of the line "it's growing greeeeen". I had attributed this to a bit of Dave Gregory's pre-XTC country western band experience seeping through. Maybe another example of how you can toss any musical genre into the XTC filter and end up with something cool on the other side. -Bob
------------------------------ Message-ID: <EDA7A21E5B70D311A5480008C7E6C19F45D45B@nymse9th1.barnesandnoble.com> From: Greg Marrs <gmarrs@book.com> Subject: Aimee Mann/Minster Hill (No XTC content) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 10:21:45 -0500 Thanks to Jason Long for reminding me about the Magnolia soundtrack. I knew it was coming, just didn't know when! I just put in an order for it. In general, Chalkhills has been a very useful space for recommending new music. One exception, for me, was the Minster Hill disc discussed here a few months back. If anyone would like to have the copy that I hastily ordered, let me know and we'll work something out. I'm not _recommending_ it, mind you -- this is for curiosity's sake only.
------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 10:07:27 -0500 From: Dorothy Spirito <spiritod@techmail.gdc.com> Subject: Goodbye, Satanas; Hello, Cargill Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.00.9912060930540.15427-100000@esun2028> Oh, goody. Now we get to hear from the other side. Are you sure you're not Diablo in disguise? What would make you think that taunting your fellow Chalkids with "see-I-knew-better-than-you" and then lecturing them with an holier-than-thou attitude would win anyone over? Besides, Black Sea and English Settlement are effing brilliant. --Dorothy.
------------------------------ Message-Id: <s84b88ac.017@pigeon.dallasisd.org> Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 10:02:07 -0600 From: "David Martin" <dmartin@pigeon.dallasisd.org> Subject: Rumblings & Ramblings Seventh Grade Says: 1. Hey Grandpa, What's for supper? 2. What ever happened to Lulu Rowan? 3. The Roy Clark guitar instruction packet is a steal of a deal. 4. Nurse Goodbody! Hot Damn!! 5. I'm ah pickin', and I'm ah grinnin'. 6. If you remember, Hew Haw doubled as a fake dinner theater. 7. BR549, Junior Sample : classic cracker comedy. 8. Gaylard Sartain both Hew Haw alumnus and landlord of Annette Benning(?) in the "Grifters". 9. Hew Haw was also known as the Buck Owens farm system for wives. 10. I miss Minnie Pearl. She funny. 11 SALUTE!! Back that ass up, Mr. Martin
------------------------------ Message-ID: <384BE0F3.C22788EB@ci.conover.nc.us> Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 11:14:43 -0500 From: erik schlichting <eriks@ci.conover.nc.us> Subject: Re: Thank God! or, Spot the Troll Someone claiming to be Jeremy Cargill wrote: > From: Jeremy Cargill <musician@publicist.com> > Subject: Thank God! > Thank God the Satanas thing is over! Or is it? > Sure, I found his posts ridicules and his name quite irritating. WARNING, DR. SMITH! WARNING! (Wave limbs about wildly) Welcome to the list, Jeremy! I assume you are new here, since I can't locate any previous posts from you. Obviously, you've been lurking a while, since you've been witness to the "Satanas" persecutions. It was terrible what They did to him, rejecting his opinions out of hand, and endlessly attacking his integrity. I agree with you about all those people that argued with him just prolonged the discussion. If everyone had just let his rantings pass without comment, maybe he'd have gotten bored and gone away. On the other hand, he did just keep shouting 'til some people couldn't take it anymore, so I guess, in a way, he won. I guess he figured he had nothing else to accomplish here, and so departed, though I suspect he's probably still watching. Normally, I don't discuss religion with people I don't know, but I'm glad to see that you are secure enough in your faith to just show it right up front, let everyone know where you stand. And, you point out a good 'Christian' cliche, if I may rephrase it, we should all love the sinner, hate the sin. That's a very wise point. Even if they don't eat meat. Finally, I'm glad you picked up on adding some small XTC content to the end of your post, to insure its validity. Keep doing this, or people will get angry and say that you are "off topic." The rules for this seem vague, as it only seems to apply to some people, like it did to Satanas. Here's mine: I'm sorry to hear that you don't like pre Skylarking XTC. Personally, I find D&W up to Mummer to be their finest period, and I have to agree with those in another ongoing discussion that the loss of Terry Chambers changed the feel of the band. Don't get me wrong, I still like the newer stuff, it just doesn't have the edge that the music with TC did. It never really rocks. I can accept this, I can appreciate the changes in direction the band took, and why. But, I still miss the XTC-that-rocks; Respectable Street, Sgt. Rock, Scissor Man, Nigel, Towers of London, Senses, No Thugs, etc. The live discs from Transistor Blast were a godsend, no blasphemy intended. My fingers are crossed, hoping that AV2 will change my mind on this point. *sigh* Those were the days.... Erik Schlichting
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