Chalkhills Digest, Volume 6, Number 13 Thursday, 20 January 2000 Today's Topics: Awards..for what ? related artists It's fabuliciously poptastic! Rheostatics VS. Adam Ant VH1 And other trite shit XTC in Back To The Beach Amazon.co.uk sez: This Is A True Story Mass Debate Re: Cobblers Respectable Road Andy on the Web Virgin Can Kiss My...... Administrivia: To UNSUBSCRIBE from the Chalkhills mailing list, send a message to <chalkhills-request@chalkhills.org> with the following command: unsubscribe For all other administrative issues, send a message to: <chalkhills-request@chalkhills.org> Please remember to send your Chalkhills postings to: <chalkhills@chalkhills.org> World Wide Web: <http://chalkhills.org/> The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. Chalkhills is compiled with Digest 3.7 (John Relph <relph@sgi.com>). Kiss goodbye to my hopes.
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <20000119000503.59524.qmail@hotmail.com> From: "Andrew Gowans" <ratwhacker@hotmail.com> Subject: Awards..for what ? Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 11:05:03 EST Greetings, Catching the bitches about the Grammy's and other awards that seem to ignore most music of quality in favour of pap and I agree. I must, however, admit to total ignorance of how the selections for these awards and the winners are arrived at. With the Oscar's I believe the nominees are from lists tendered by the studios (how this works for the "Foriegn" films I don't know) and the members of the Academy make their selections and vote on these - something like that. I don't know if this process makes it any more representative of the relative quality/worthiness of the films, but it does avoid awards based upon success at the box-office alone. It is ironic to note that a few years ago it was reported in the US that the main target demographic for films was pre/early-teen females from Hispanic backgrounds...similar to what Dom observes holds for music in the UK, except for the Hispanic bit. Similar reasons too, they spent more money than other groups in society. I wonder whether A & C would accept a Grammy, or similar, if it was offered ? REM did. Lastly, before the annual engorging season I posted details of a very tasty Garrard (made in Swindon) record turntable manual (printed in Swindon). This is still available for collectors, vintage Hi-Fi buffs, retentives etc. Free to a good home ! Mail me off-list. Andrew Gowans "An award is not worth the paper it's printed on" -A.Gowans (With apologies to Samuel Goldwyn {dec.})
------------------------------ Message-ID: <20000119015143.58362.qmail@hotmail.com> From: "garret harkawik" <funktaisia@hotmail.com> Subject: related artists Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 20:51:43 EST According to the related artists section on CDNow for XTC, XTC once collaberated with Andy Partridge. Who ever would have guessed?
------------------------------ Message-ID: <20000119042204.70413.qmail@hotmail.com> From: "Duncan Kimball" <dunks58@hotmail.com> Subject: It's fabuliciously poptastic! Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 20:22:04 PST Dom ... could it be that ... you are showing your age? >Subject: Whey-Faced Muppets > >David Seddon wrote... > >>If they are a barometer of public taste then it seems that it's only >> >>12-15 year old girls who are buying singles. That can't be so, so >> >>what's happened to mass >>taste? > >I'm afraid it IS so, and I'm surprised you hadn't spotted it > >earlier.....the UK singles market is now aimed almost entirely at >12-15 >year old girls, With a sense of deja-vu, I'll venture this opinion again: Wasn't the singles market ALWAYS aimed at that age group? I don't see many middle-aged men in films of Beatles concerts, do you? It has been ever thus, pretty much since Frank Sinatra began rocking the bobby-soxers, methinks? Problem being .... what, exactly? >with occasional exceptions like Cliff Richard (grannies, lunatics, > >perverts) and various floor-fillers from the UK club scene (grannies, > >lunatics, students....much the same really). No wonder XTC do so >badly >in the UK! Well, I think Cliff is a old bore but, like Ozzy, if he did not exist it would have been necessary to invent him - and of course Rik Mayall's lines in The Young Ones would have been substantially reduced had there not been a Cliff at all. But I must admit I was gleeful at hearing that Cliff's (admittedly repulsive) "Millennium Prayer" (which Australia was thankfully spared) became a massive UK Xmas hit in spite of the churlish refusal of UK pop radio to play it, because Cliff ain't "cool". It was a nice pie in the face for those snotty programmers who *think* they know what public taste is all about. >I suspect you've made the classic juvenile school boy error of >assuming >that the charts are any kind of representation of "mass >taste" in the >first place. They're not. Well what ARE they, Dom? OK, I know the charts are manipulated, I know a lot of worthy artists, like our beloved Swindonians, are excluded because they are deemed (shock! horror!) uncommercial, and I know this is largely an irrational process, guided as it is by bullshit marketing techniques like audience sampling, focus groups etc, and corrupted as it undoubtedly always has been. (Why, for instance, is the professional misery-mongering of groups like Live and Korn deemed worthy of airplay, when XTC are to my ears, exceptionally more radio friendly? Answer? It's about marketing fads and fashion, not promoting "good taste".) But the charts do represent and reflect something about "mass taste", however restricted the choices might be, as Cliff proves. >The "mainstream", if we can refer to the charts in such a way, is >followed >and perpetuated by a minority of people. The vast majority >of people >(something like 58 million in this country) buy far fewer >than one record per month, and therefore it's silly to suggest that > >Westlife are supported by the masses, when in fact they are sold to >and >bought by shrieking mid-pubescents with no interest in a broader >culture >and even less in anything outside the perceived >cutting-edge-ness of boy >bands, dance acts and Shitney cocking >Spears. These are the "people" with >disposable income >and, arguably, the only target audience willing to piss money away on >singles, when anyone with half a brain saw through that particular >scam >years ago. Most people don't buy Westlife records, which I >personally find >rather comforting. Hmmmm ... pretty bloody large minority, old chap. How many million units have 5ive sold in the last twelve months? OK they may not sell to people my age, but is it any less valid because of that? Why get so wound up about it? After all, if it wasn't for the cash flow provided by all those million sellers, less "commercial" groups - like XTC - would never have emerged in the first place, let alone survived. I think attacking the charts on the basis of personal taste is a risky enterprise at best. And I think attacking "shrieking mid-pubescents" is kind of silly, and I have to say, smacks of both ageism and sexism. (And let me tell you - I was shrieking with the best of 'em when Prince toured Australia, and I was into my 30s and married by then.) Some of these "shrieking mid-pubescents" perhaps do become dull adults who, admittedly, buy less than one one record per month (presumably Celine Dion), listen to boring commercial radio, watch daytime TV and become suburban vegetables. But many of them grow from this intial interest in one band to develop wide-ranging tastes in music and culture at large. Many of the people who introduced me to rock music in my mid-late teens (in the 70s) were teenage girls who had been through that very phase - the compulsory crushes on Marc Bolan, Slade, David Bowie, Sherbet, The Bay City Rollers or whoever. These 'girls' grew up to be smart, capable, wise women with very broad tastes in music, who introduced me to stuff like Roxy Music, Lou Reed, Yes, Iggy Pop, Eno, Split Enz and much more. >A spineless media, toothless music papers and witless TV executives >certainly haven't helped to discourage the rampant beast of >boy-bandery, Nor - thankfully - did they discourage the rampant beast of girl-bandery in the early-mid 1960s (Martha & The Vandellas, The Supremes, The Ronettes) - music every bit as "manufactured" as today's boy-band pop. Great as they are, I defy you to listen to four or five Supremes singles back to back and tell me Motown were not coasting on a successful formula. I don't much care for Britney Spears, but I have to admit that her first single was a great piece of pop music and a pretty damn good production too. >and I share your revulsion at the apparently rock-bottom >expectations of >most kids these days, but frankly, fuck 'em. The >majority, a much-maligned >group of people continually blamed for >things for which they are in no way >responsible, listen to a vast and >varied menu of different types of music >(some being bland & MOR and >some being Atari Teenage Riot), buy albums in >preference to singles >(because that's what adulthood does to you) and >blink with confusion >at the likes of Westlife and (the admittedly >splendid) Steps....but >don't worry, as one such majority-member I can >state unequivocally >that it doesn't matter, because contrary to what many >seem to >believe, there is a world which exists outside the coke-fuelled >stupidity >of the media (it's called the Real World, although I >suspect MTV has the >copyright on that particular title) and >fortunately those of us who live >there don't need Jayne Middlemiss to >tell us what's happening in music >today. Let's be honest, we know so >much more about it than she does! Hmmm - bit of a logical flip-flop there matey. Are you anywhere near Westminster, perchance? I question your egregious generalisation about the expectations of "most kids", though I do think that "the majority" probably do listen to a pretty limited range of music, as you alluded to earlier. But whose fault is that? Radio and TV, of course. It could be a LOT better and I have always said so, but it's really part of the inherent structural problem of capitalism, isn't it? The only way to make it work on a large scale is to restrict variety and competition to ensure that mass-products can be made, advertised and sold in suffucient quantities to ensure a healthy profit. You can't blame people for taking what the system offers. I don't entirely like it, but on the plus side, it has to be said that all the Madonnas and Michael Jacksons and Boyzone go at least some way to subsidising all the jazz and classical and world music records that sell only in the thousands, hundreds, or dozens. Without that chart-generated cash flow, a lot of that music would probably never have been recorded or had wide release through major labels. I don't know what the actual ratio of "hits" to "misses" is, but it would have to be in the realm of thousands to one, surely? With all due respect, I think your whole argument is a bit elitist, Dom. I don't see what's wrong with letting kids have some fun and get involved in the pop scene of the period they're growing up in. It doesn't have to be rocket science for Ozzy's sake - it's just ENTERTAINMENT. Wherever did this bizarre notion come from that popular music has to "mean" something or "say" something? The hippy rock press, I suspect. Pop music is and should be a happy, uncomplicated experience for kids, and indeed many of us "old folks" who had favourite bands in our youth look back to those days in our own lives with warmth and affection. A nice example from Oz is our biggest local pop success of the 70s, a band called Sherbet (who had a UK hit with "Howzat" ca. 1976). They were a wee bit naff, admittedly, but they were marketed ruthlessly as teeny idols, etc etc. In later years it became fashionable for the rock press to knock them, especially once New Wave took hold. But behind all the hype was a great band of very professional musicians who worked their guts out year after year, always gave 100% for the fans, were genuinely very nice blokes, and were justly adored for it. They got back together at the start of last year for one-off TV performance, 15 years after they split, and it was a quite heartwarming experience to revisit those days and realise that they were actually a bloody good group who wrote terrific pop songs - nothing taxing, but good none the less - and played them very well indeed. It's a tribute to them that in 15 years on the road they Sherbet only ever missed ONE gig. I don't know if Boyzone will elicit the same response from today's teens in 2030, but who knows? Turn the argument on its head Dom. I might (and in fact do) think that a lot of what might loosely be termed "metal" music is dull, formulaic, riddled with cliches, emotionally stunted and profoundly silly. I imagine that your once the expletives had died down, your next response to such a statement would probably be to say "Oh, you don't understand the genre ... that's only the mainstream acts ... you need to listen to Such-and-such ... " Get my drift? It depends on how you look at things, as Pooh says. Are you doing anything different in your attitude to pop? >>There really does seem to be a dearth of talent around. > >With all due respect, cobblers! The music industry is not currently >interested in talent, so instead we get Adam Ricketts and countless >other >pointy-nippled, bound-to-be-gay, whey-faced muppets gyrating >and gurning >on the TV.....it's a shitter for sure, but the off-switch >beckons and no >one's forcing you to accept the Top 40 as any >indication of how creatively >healthy the music scene is. Damn it, >these bands have nothing to do with >the music scene as I'm sure you are aware. Also with all due respect - bollocks yerself! Current pop music may not be "cool" or "deep" or very meaningful (was it ever?) but dismissing it out of hand like that is ridiculous. Your definition of "talent" is also rather selective. I might not like what a lot of these bands do, but I'm hardly likely to believe that they can sell that many records and do sell-out concert tours without having at least a basic talent for performing. I never really liked Take That, and found them pretty lightweight, to say the least - but I will happily concede that they were all extremely good singers, and fine performers. And if nothing else, these bands are giving the "real" musicians - songwriters, engineers, producers, session players and singers - a lot of very lucrative work. I am a big advocate of live music performance, and these big pop bands also mount big expensive tours which provide lots of work for lots of people and provide a bit of glamour and spectacle in people's hundrum lives. What's wrong with that? As I've said before - even the fluffiest pop of the 60s, like The Monkees or Sonny & Cher or Petula Clark - was composed and played by the very best musos in the business. The Monkees were bagged relentlessly when it was revealed that they (gasp!) did not play on their own records. Ironic, when you consider how many session players The Beatles were using at that very time on their own records. Doubly ironic, because as soon as the Prefab Four started writing and performing their own stuff, their career took an irretrievable nosedive. And now such records - so disdained by "serious" critics of the day - are being rehabilitated. Look at the rebirth of Burt Bacharach. Ten years ago NOBODY would have dared to say his music was cool. Now he's as hip as they come. Even The Ultimate Northern Lad, Noel Gallagher, likes him. What IS the problem with pop? It's just one facet of the industry. Not liking it is, of course, your right, but you can't just toss it aside because it doesn't meet your high-falutin' criteria for what is or isn't cool or important. >Just don't spend too much time bemoaning the existence of the >kiddie-pop >freakshow... Erm ... wasn't that what you've just done, at some length? Well, I've run out of hot air. Time to relax with a nice soothing cup Dr Depravo's Wonder Brain Tonic and put on a nice Mrs Mills record. Evenin' all ... Dunks
------------------------------ Message-ID: <20000119052229.17173.qmail@web2102.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 21:22:28 -0800 (PST) From: Tyler Hewitt <tahewitt@yahoo.com> Subject: Rheostatics VS. Adam Ant I got sent the following in an e-mail from a former Chalkhiller and thought I'd pass it on. Tyler at the end of the rheostatics album 'the blue hysteria' there is one of those trick songs that comes on after about six minutes of silence called 'my first rock concert'. its a live in the studio throw away tune, real simple acoustic strumming and singing, and he's talking about his personal history of rock n roll. his first concert was ELO and then rush i think, and then it gets into how he discovered punk and new wave... anyway the lyric goes like this: >The Specials, Gang of Four, and all the new wave. >I saw the Birthday Party play with Nick Cave. >I saw XTC twice, I thought Paul Weller was Christ. >I even met Michael Stipe, he was distant, but he was nice. This makes, what-three songs that XTC are mentioned in? SOmeone should stark keeping track of them. Someone else, I mean. Not me.
------------------------------ Message-ID: <20000119053420.27537.qmail@web2105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 21:34:20 -0800 (PST) From: Tyler Hewitt <tahewitt@yahoo.com> Subject: VH1 And other trite shit RE: What's most right and most wrong with the VH1 list? Basically, what's wrong with it is that i could give two shits what some panel of experts or the voting public or whomever considers to be the 100 best songs of all time. I've come to the conclusion that these lists are not only useless, but also bloated with self-importance. I don't mind individual's best of lists (although I was getting pretty weary of reading them in Chalkhills), individual lists say something about the person who made it. I do mind being told that one song is better/more important than another by A bunch of people I don't know. Some songs ARE better than others. Most are obvious-Hey Jude is better than Disco Duck. Why we need a list to tell us that Respect is better than Sittin on the Dock of the Bay is beyond me. Prove it! I read the #1 song on the VH1 list, realized that the whole list was pointless and full of shit and stopped reading immediately. Wow- I just used the work shit four times in one post! Is that a record?
------------------------------ Message-ID: <000a01bf625f$51fccb40$7c5791d2@johnboud> From: "John Boudreau" <aso1@mocha.ocn.ne.jp> Subject: XTC in Back To The Beach Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 17:29:00 +0900 Re-reading Kingsley Abbot's " Back To The Beach : A Brian Wilson and The Beach Boys Reader " , and came across this mention of XTC in regards to Brian and Van Dyke's collaboration on the * Smile " project : ... a great deal of people have been affected strongly by their unreleased work from the 60's . When confronted with the reality that diggers like XTC have produced amazing , contemporary music directly influenced by * Smile * , and alternative bands such as Velvet Crush can lovingly title their most recent LP * Teenage Symphonies To God * ( a reference to Wilson's simple explanation of the * Smile * music in 1966 ) , both parks and Wilson seem able to somewhat overcome the pain of what they consider a lost opportunity . " Yeah . I just have this to say " , pontificates Wilson about this fine musical hour , " I say that , like , if ... if what Van Dyke and I did in the 60's means a lot to people , then I'm proud that I did it . Proud that we did it , if it helped out , meaning spiritually , or anything . We did some heavy shit there . " Just thought I would share that with you all ... Sushiman John
------------------------------ Message-Id: <200001191009.CAA02414@sgi.com> From: "Clinton, Martin" <martin.clinton@dnb.no> Subject: Amazon.co.uk sez: Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 11:09:07 +0100 Apple Venus Vol.2 Xtc Our Price: #11.89 This item will be released on 3 April, 2000. You may order it now and we will ship it to you when it arrives. Audio CD ( 3 April, 2000) Label: Cooking Vinyl; ASIN: B00004GLNE Catalogue Number: COOKCD194 Anyone know if this is the official date?? Martin
------------------------------ From: unna@worldmailer.com Date: 19 Jan 2000 04:40:25 -0800 Message-ID: <20000119124025.26430.cpmta@c008.sfo.cp.net> Subject: This Is A True Story A few Sundays ago, at about 3 minutes of noon, I pushed "play" on song 1 of Nonsuch. Everything was flowing as normal until "had him nailed to a" and the accompanying glockenspiel. The bell had such an echo that I must have looked like a dog trying to locate the sound. I paused the CD and the bell kept going! It was noon and the church on the corner was tolling the start of the service! Same note! Same rhythm! BUT THERE'S MORE! After the church bell sounded twelve times, without missing a beat a crow started mimicking the bell! Same note! Same rhythm! This is true! It really happened! You could have heard the pop-fizz as my mind actually blew! Oh yeah! Laura
------------------------------ Message-ID: <007a01bf627e$c5821060$23b801d5@default> From: "David Seddon" <D.Seddon@btinternet.com> Subject: Mass Debate Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 12:51:49 -0000 Dom said: >I suspect you've made the classic juvenile school boy error of assuming that >the charts are any kind of representation of "mass taste" in the first >place. They're not. Three points: 1."Mass taste"...in a way yes: they are the media's taste in the same way that popular acts of the past were. Sometimes the media's taste and wider fashion tastes coincide. Not at the moment. Pop music has been reflected by the media and public fashion for decades. The Beatles, mods, rockers, teddy boys, glams, punks etc etc . They affected the way we viewed society. In some ways they even changed parts of society. Often this was by force of personality or talent. >>The "mainstream", if we can refer to the charts in such >a way, is followed and perpetuated by a minority of people. The vast >majority of people (something like 58 million in this country) buy far fewer >than one record per month, and therefore it's silly to suggest that Westlife >are supported by the masses A small minority of the British public bought punk records, but the punk phenomenon changed what you saw on the high streets of Britain. I don't see any of the boy/girl bands changing anything. They have neither talent nor the interest of anyone over 15. Frankly they have nothing to say. Unfortunately they are ubiquitous despite being incredibly dull and formularised. It's not a question of being supported by a majority since no music apart from singing "Happy Birthday" and nursery rhymes to your kids is. Being a "mass" interest does not necessitate the involvement of the majority. There's a dumbing down of media pop darlings and those acts appearing to make the news, which reflects the pop charts. Posh Spice is never off the front page, Westlife seem to be on loads of chat shows and tv shows. Part of this is down to Jarvis Cocker, Blur and Oasis disappearing for a year, perhaps. If you look at the album charts, they're healthier but not by a lot. So, I would argue that there is a connection between the charts and wider mass taste, and that at the moment it is a weaker one than at many moments in the past (by no means all!). 2.With due respect, you're missing one of my points, or at least dancing around it. I made a point about time. What is a weak genre to start with is getting weaker due to repetition and lack of originality. The pop charts have been dominated by a long succession of boy and girl bands, (including the deplorable Steps!), for some years now!! It was partly the longevity of this tosh as the base (in more ways than one) unit of the charts that worried me in my last mailing. At times in the past the charts have been dominated by The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, Slade, glamour rock (Queen etc), Abba, punk, new romantics, Elvis Presley and stuff from Grease and S.N.Fever. These were mostly people performing original songs not rehashes, and largely they were not designer-created acts. Perhaps, they all ran out of fizz at the end, but there was some musicianship in there. We have now had non-musicianship dominating proceedings for (let's be conservative) 5 years. If you believe, as I argued above, that the charts have been important, then the boy band/girl band genre could be viewed as a cancerous growth that is killing them off. If so, then it is a growth that no new movement of music has managed to remove. Perhaps this is partly because of record company execs counting their money. It has to be easier to create a new band in a test-tube by mixing together a few good-looking kids than going out trying to unearth some genuine talent. To me, the smell of stagnation is overwhelming. As for club/dance music...that would require a different set of arguments that I can't be bothered to make right now. Suffice to say that that is also formulaic, repetitive and uninspiring outside of a night club. 3. The argument about singles being a waste of space is superflous. Yes they are, and they always have been. That's a constant. Quality of music in the charts isn't.
------------------------------ Message-Id: <200001191347.IAA11536@gilgamesh.nh.ultra.net> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 08:45:03 -0500 Subject: Re: Cobblers From: "Duncan Watt" <dwatt@fastestmanintheworld.com> Lawson Dominic <LawsonD@parliament.uk> expurged: >With all due respect, cobblers! Being a 'Merken and all, and having a penchant for strange swear-y things from other countries(hehe... he said...), I'd like to know exactly where on the Scale Of Cuntness "cobblers" comes(hehe... he said...)in, as I'd like to begin saying it whenever I disagree with anything from here on in("One Of The Millions"? Cobblers!), but(hehe) I'd want to know if it has any Teeth. Big Ol' Duncan Watt ps Could it be modified? As in ""You Can Call Me Al"? Fucking cobblers!" -- Kanuba Music net: http://www.fastestmanintheworld.com
------------------------------ Message-ID: <002f01bf62a6$884241c0$929cbc3e@debraedm> From: "Debra Edmonds" <Debra.Edmonds@dial.pipex.com> Subject: Respectable Road Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 17:53:30 -0000 Hi Chalkies Have any of you ever thought about moving here to Swindon? Nah, I thought not - nothing much to tempt you here I guess, except for the odd sighting!! Well, maybe this will do it? The house one door away from Andy's has just come up for sale! It is a very nice Victorian end-terrace house in a tree-lined road in Old Town, Swindon. (Yes, Andy officially lives down a "road" rather than a street or avenue). Just think, you could have a room with a "shed" view from your back bedroom windows! Now I know Mark Strijbos was thinking about possibly moving to Swindon one day, but I reckon this might just get him packing :) Bye for now. Debie debie@guitargonauts.com
------------------------------ Message-Id: <v03007804b4abc88c0f73@[165.121.69.60]> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 15:04:59 -0500 From: Mitch Friedman <mitchf@mindspring.com> Subject: Andy on the Web Yes, you heard me right . . . sort of. Andy admitted that he and Colin and Nick have been laughing themselves silly with the humor found at www.tvgohome.com recently. It's a parody of a British tv listings page, updated every fortnight. The material is offensive, disturbed, surreal, crazy, i.e. funny. Believe it or not but Andy as contributed about 13 pieces of his own, some of which will be featured in upcoming editions . . . but no credits are given to contributors so you'll have to guess which are his. One clue I can give you . . . think 'nazis' for one of them.
------------------------------ Message-ID: <20000119211434.21348.qmail@web1306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 13:14:34 -0800 (PST) From: Molly Fanton <mfanton99@yahoo.com> Subject: Virgin Can Kiss My...... Mitch wrote: <<Fuzzy Warbles is still being worked on but recently Virgin has called to say that they are making a definitive XTC box set and would Andy have any demos around? He said no and expects there might be some dispute over Fuzzy Warbles because of this. I was incorrect with the earlier news that it will only contain unreleased songs. In fact it will be half unreleased and half demos of songs from earlier XTC albums.>> IMHO Virgin can bite me. They really screwed with the fellas, and I'm now mad that they want to put out an XTC boxed set. I won't buy it, even if it's XTC. I'll pray that Fuzzy Warbles comes out. Let's all keep our fingers crossed. Molly Molly's Pages http://www.angelfire.com/mn/mollyfa99/index.html
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