Chalkhills Digest Volume 6, Issue 160
Date: Friday, 9 June 2000
Chalkhills Digest, Volume 6, Number 160
Friday, 9 June 2000
Topics:
More Observations...Andy this time..
classical greenman
And of course: "Popcorn Holder"
Afterthough...Joe's Girl
the man who...
Vinyl vs. CD
Oh, just call it the "WOOO-EEE sound" already!
Re: New from XTC!
Q-U-I-Z pronounced as Trick
RE: New from XTC!
AV1 and WS reviews
psssst!
RE: New from XTC!
BE, The Wasp Star, More Globes & The 'Jukes' of Stratosphear
Happy Latino Groove Pop Reggae
New album name, Greeks, and loads of other stuff.
Dave's not here now, man.
Jukebox Turn-offs
Clusical Miches
Musical!
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Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 09:15:13 -0700
From: jim_hinchman@hp.com
Subject: More Observations...Andy this time..
Message-ID: <H0001a90122d0dee@MHS>
This is another, "Hey, did anyone else besides me notice that..."
The vocal mannerism in which Andy sings Stupidly Happy reminds me a
lot of when Pete Townsend sings "Misunderstood". As a matter of fact,
the jangly guitar parts (Rickenbacker?) and the melody are very Pete
to me, on the softer side.
You and the Clouds could almost be right off of English Settlement.
The quirky syncopation sounds of that era to me.
Don't think Brown Guitar ("You've got lovely..."ECK!) will grow on me.
Same with Church Of Women and Wounded Horse. Good ideas but just don't
gel with me..yet anyways.
Wheel/Maypole is interesting. Don't think I would include it on an
AV1/WS compilation though...
Colin's contributions on the last two albums, with maybe the exception
of Fruit Nut, are great! Put me down as another fan of Boarded Up.
GREAT atmosphere!
OK, now taking cover from the bombardment of flack...
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 09:17:14 -0700 (PDT) From: brown <mb2@deltanet.com> Subject: classical greenman Message-ID: <200006081617.JAA14941@mail2.deltanet.com> <<P.P.S It's a bit late for this but does anyone know what classical tune Partsy is ripping off in Greenman in the bit that goes, "And you've known for a million years he has been your father". Try humming it, it's not greensleeves but something like Beethoven, The Beach Boys used it at the beginning of Lady Lynda.>> How's about something from Beethoven's 9th symphony, like Ode To Joy? Oh my, I still have the 45 of Apollo 100 doing their zippy hit version of the above... lord have mercy... DBrown
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 11:26:10 -0500 From: RNV <rnv@mac.com> Subject: And of course: "Popcorn Holder" Message-ID: <B5652948.1DE%rnv@mac.com> > Finally does anyone have any ideas from WS lyrics for a name for the next > album. Mine are: > BUMPER STICKER > LOAVES AND KISSES > PYRAMIDS AND PALACES > DINOSAURS! Oh, yeah, Dave would have LOVED that last one... And I can see the "clever" reviews already. How about: THE CHEEKY BUILDERS (almost a bubblegum title, n'est pas?) PARACHUTE PHONEY ROSES THE WHOLE HEARD LET'S MULTIPLY!!! (like another one of Andy's faux-dance crazes) ~~Rob
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Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 09:25:41 -0700
From: jim_hinchman@hp.com
Subject: Afterthough...Joe's Girl
Message-ID: <H0001a90122d1c75@MHS>
Someone yesterday raised the issue of humor and morality when it came
to Colin stealing Joe's wife/girl....RELAX! It happens everyday all
around the world. I'm not justifying it. But MANY of us have been in
the same situation (not necessarily have acted on it.) It's very
topical subject matter for a song because a lot of people can relate.
And if we can't laugh at ourselves...
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 09:53:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Tyler Hewitt <tahewitt@yahoo.com> Subject: the man who... Message-ID: <20000608165341.17776.qmail@web2101.mail.yahoo.com> do i detect a series here? first, there was 'The Man who Sailed Around His Soul", now there's "I'm the Man who Murdered Love". What will the next 'the man who...' song? The man who went dancing in tight salmon-colored polyester pants the man who saved his toenail clippings in a big jar the man who spent all day downloading porn off the internet the man who became an accountant and moved to Des Moines I'm going to stop now. forgive me. I have no idea why I just wrote this. haven't been geting enough sleep, i guess.
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 18:55:41 +0200 (MET DST) From: rappard@dds.nl Subject: Vinyl vs. CD Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.90.1000608183925.28754B-100000@fatima.dds.nl> I don't want to start a very boring technical thread here (and surely one that's popped up before), but Brett's posts contained two fallacies: > Lastly, the whole thing is then placed onto a CD which is actually a digital > "sample" of the original recording. As amazing as our technology is, a > little known fact is that they still don't quite hold up to the fidelity of > vinyl records. Digital formats make music much like a projector makes > movies. Pictures of the music (samples) are taken at very short intervals > and mathematically grafted together to give the illusion of continuous > The stuff you miss in-between these samples also takes an emotional > toll on the music. Since the intervals are very short, the human ear still preceives the "samples" as a continuous stream, just as the human eye perceives anything more than 24 fps as a continuous movie. It's trickery, but it works. > I am stating a fact of physics that records > reproduce a higher fidelity signal than CD's. Due to the sampling rate, > commercial CD's cannot present sound above 22k which is thought to be about > the highest pitch that humans can hear. As an analog source a record can > produce a much wider range of sound than a CD can. The only sound advantage > a CD has over a record is a lower noise floor. From a technical > standpoint, a record kicks butt on a CD. Since a human ear cannot perceive anything above 22k (as you state), why would it have to be included? You might be right considering that anything above 22k may indeed add overtones (I'm not sure if this is the right musical term), but the argument as stated here is simply erroneous. Empirically: a friend once transferred three Pixies bootlegs from vinyl -> DAT -> CD-R using professional studio equipment; the DAT step inbetween makes it easy to mark track times and to remove excess surface noise, cracks and pops (but not all, unless you take a inordinate amount of time). He then asked several of his musician friends (like most musicians self-confessed vinyl junkies) if they could hear the difference between the vinyl and CD-R when played on the studio's equipment - most could not, and some even mistook the CD-R for vinyl. Granted, more people correctly identified the vinyl as the "better" source. I'm curious as to what the result would be if one used a actual studio recording, not a crappy bootleg, and "sampled" more people. Marty "I think my first name was Martin, but Todd decided otherwise in his infinite wisdom" van Rappard
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 10:07:31 -0700 From: Ed Kedzierski <ed.kedzierski@blvdmedia.com> Subject: Oh, just call it the "WOOO-EEE sound" already! Message-ID: <08B5DDC2BABCD311BFC6005004A884B013B6B0@mgcservices.com> Has anyone paused to consider the fact that it's not that difficult to get a good fake theremin sound out of even the most primitive synthesizer, and you certainly don't need a sampler to do it? I mean, I'm sure no one was actually waving their arms around at a real theremin for this, but it seems to me that this is not exactly the most difficult thing to imitate on just about any synthesizer. To me, it will remain "that electronic-y woo-ee sound after the chorus". Ed K.
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 13:17:05 EDT From: Alura9@aol.com Subject: Re: New from XTC! Message-ID: <61.44d1953.26712f11@aol.com> Nothing like being prompt with the news! Wasp Star was released in the States on May 23rd! Is it CDNOW or CDANYTIMEWEGETAROUNDTOIT? :-o And how about some XTC news in Allstar Daily News NOW and then? They may not punch people out and get arrested for drugs and have gadzillions of teenyboppers after them, but they are the most brilliant band alive!!!! The eccentric English country life of these breathlessly witty, legendary recluses is a great story in itself! Carrie Borzillo, take note. Mimi Lobell Alura9@aol.com
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 13:30:23 EDT From: DinsdaleP@aol.com Subject: Q-U-I-Z pronounced as Trick Message-ID: <9f.667b540.2671322f@aol.com> In a message dated 6/8/00 10:05:04 AM, <owner-chalkhills@chalkhills.org> writes: << 1)What is the one word, which, if correctly spelled, is pronounced wrong?<< Wrong 2)Which word is always spelled correctly?<< Correctly 3)Which word is always misspelled?<< Misspelled 4)What is the longest word in the english language?<< Language 5)Which three words are always pronounced right? >> Rite, write, right - John
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 13:55:20 -0400 From: Carrie Borzillo <carrieb@allstarnews.com> Subject: RE: New from XTC! Message-ID: <DFFD68834A72D3119A7B00508B5BD59602D87BCE@mailhq01.cdnow.com> We've written about every XTC news happening there is. (see below) And when they do something newsy again, we'll be writing about them again. * XTC soundscan story, May 31, 2000 . XTC Launches Wasp Star In May March 22, 2000 . XTC's Andy Partridge Clears Up McCartney Tribute Rumor March 6, 2000 . XTC Demo Album Drops From Out Of Nowhere On Oct. 5 September 21, 1999 . XTC's 'River Of Orchids' Goes To The Ballet June 11, 1999 . XTC To Appear On Space Ghost February 5, 1999 Best, Carrie Borzillo Managing Editor, News, allstar/CDNOW
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 12:54:46 CDT From: "Joe Perez" <jm_perez@hotmail.com> Subject: AV1 and WS reviews Message-ID: <20000608175446.74749.qmail@hotmail.com> I recently came across: http://georgegraham.com/ George is a producer, Public Radio host and programmer, music writer, and recording and broadcast engineer. With his background, he adds an interesting perspective to his articles. Last year, he reviewed Apple Venus: http://georgegraham.com/reviews/xtc.html As a engineer, he provides EXCELLENT insight into recording processes (compression, dynamic range, etc.). In an essay, "Whatever Happened to Dynamic Range on Compact Discs?", he describes the undelivered promise that exists in digital recording. This is not a commentary on analogue vs. digital audio. Rather, it's how commercial pressure and competition for airplay have negatively affected recording/mastering techniques. Facinating. This companion piece to the AV review can be found at: http://georgegraham.com/compress.html More recently, he added a complimentary review of Wasp Star. Text version is at http://georgegraham.com/reviews/xtcav2.html Real Audio is at http://georgegraham.com/audio/xtcav2.ram Lastly, "The pleasures of good bluegrass music are not to be underestimated..." John Relph, Harrison Sherwood, and others may enjoy: http://georgegraham.com/reviews/fleckbg.html Note to John: you must get permission to reproduce his reviews. They would be fine additions to Chalkhills cannon. Happy Reading, Joe "?" Perez Dallas, TX GO STARS!
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 08:04:21 -1000 From: Jim Smart <jismart@ksbe.edu> Subject: psssst! Message-ID: <773681922C7.AAAC668@mail1.ksbe.edu> read this post in a whisper: Psssst! Hey kid, come here. What message is being whispered halfway through Boarded Up? Jim "OK, you can speak up now" Smart
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 14:04:46 -0400 From: Kelly Andrews <kandrews@cdnow.com> Subject: RE: New from XTC! Message-ID: <0F4DC389FD7AD31190BB0008C7CF9EDD010A7FF2@mailhq02.cdnow.com> And here's an exclusive CDNOW Interview with XTC that we published June 2: http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/pagename=/RP/CDN/FIND/discography.html/ArtistID=XTC/docid=368627/select=features/chalkhills
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 11:20:17 -0700 From: "Dane Pereslete" <peresd@tcwgroup.com> Subject: BE, The Wasp Star, More Globes & The 'Jukes' of Stratosphear Message-ID: <s93f8177.099@acacia.tcwgroup.com> Just have to add my vote to the many that get BE vibes from Wasp Star. It's not so much the production styles, which are vastly different, as the song choices and composition which sound most similar to my ears. The exception? "The Wheel and the Maypole" which sounds wonderfully unlike anything they've recorded before (to me) and probably would have fit very well on Vol. I, as has been suggested. What book did Andy get his Wasp Star title epiphany from? He insists in interviews that he found in a book that the Aztec used this name for Venus, but every source I find originally attributes it to the Maya, who predate the Aztec by at *least* a thousand years. The Aztec appropriated many deities from conquered tribes, most notably from the Toltec, but there doesn't seem to be an Aztec counterpart to Xux Ek (that I can find, anyway). And speaking of Aztec, they were another culture who were aware of our planet's roundness, most clearly exhibited by their worship of Tlaltecayoa - "He of the Round Earth", and as an interesting bit of trivia, this worship ceremony involved a dancer dressed as a monkey that the band Ozomatli got their name from. Myself? I'll just stick to the worship of Ppilimtec - the God of Music. Gotta love the Mesoamericans...probably the most "psychedelic" cultures on the planet. This isn't exactly jukebox fare, but all I know (from experience) is that if you want to clear out a party very quickly - just put The Normal's "T.V. OD" on endless repeat...me and my mates always found this endlessly entertaining! Dane "on warm leatherette" Pereslete
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 11:48:23 -0700 From: Kurt Muehlner <kurtm@flcipdx.com> Subject: Happy Latino Groove Pop Reggae Message-ID: <393FEA77.579E34E9@flcipdx.com> Apologies for this, but... I don't know about the rest of y'all, but I find it highly annoying that Amazon.de should actually write album reviews in German! I mean, come on, all them Germans speak English anyways...right? So anyhoo, thankfully we have such wonderful web translation services as can be found, for example, at http://babel.altavista.com. Here then is Amazon.de's review of Wasp Star (http://chalkhills.org/articles/WaspStar.html#ad0005), translated into English, for your great entertainment I hope: "There he promised not too much, the transverse heading Andy Partridge harmony-fallen in love, when he announced that the second XTC album would indicate after work arbeitsverweigerung for many years of more Hooks than each Peter Peter fan club meetingPeter fan club meeting. Indeed Partridge submitted and creative colleague Colin Moulding with Wasp star a marvelously various blueprint of the euphoric-ironical melody Pops, on which John Lennon also thirty-few years after Sgt. a Pepper would have been proud. One marks to the album despite obvious ease that some ripe years were entitled to the Songs present at him. Obligatorily, because XTC spent the time between 1992 and 1995 with a songwriterischen strike, which brought them at the end the hoped for separation from the contracting party Virgin record. Those approximately 40 Pop beads, which developed in this time, divided on a orchestral bombastisches album named Apple Venus and the conventionally electronic section, which appeared themselves on Wasp star. But which is called with these Poplegende from Swindon with London already conventionally? Is it conventional, allegedly dead-straight the guitar reef and the allegedly cord-even Groove in " Stupidly Happy " with full power against each other hits to leave? is the romantic Pophymne " We're ALL Light " the easily angekrankte account " Wounded Horse " and this again the Happy Latino Groove Pop Reggae " You and The Clouds wants quiet Beautiful " conventional follow to be let? To sing and at the end that one would like to hold service in the " Church OF Women "...Charming Schlawiner. -- Bjoern Doering Ah, I get it now! Hope someone besides me found that amusing. Kurt "wants quiet Beautiful" Muhlner
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 20:54:14 +0100 (BST) From: Rory Wilsher <rory_wilsher@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: New album name, Greeks, and loads of other stuff. Message-ID: <20000608195414.22425.qmail@web1502.mail.yahoo.com> Help! I'm turning into a long poster! A few inconsequential thoughts: There has never been an album called, simply, XTC. (The band so good they named it twice also used their name as the album title twice (first and eighth), Peter Gabriel did it four times before actually deciding to differentiate his albums by gracing them with a title, Blur only got around to it on their fifth (I think) album.) Failing that, I feel that this subject shouldn't just include WS lyrics, but also from AV1. My suggestions: Like Us Men Best Of All (OK, maybe a compilation-type-album-sounding title. I just have this feeling that the next one may be after the frenetic activity of the last two years, and being based on songs mostly written in the Nineties, I just think that any new material will transcend what we already know.) Brian Matthews writes: "The Ancient Greeks certainly had figured out that the Earth was spherical, but they're the only big players I know of..." OK, a lot of civilizations had got as far as realizing it was curved (shipping out to sea and hiding under the horizon whilst the wooden horse was being delivered to Troy, convincing the Trojans that they'd gone home and left them this wonderful gift boy, were those Trojans STUPID!) I think the Egyptians also reached this point, but it wasn't until the late Greek and Roman philosophers that they really got the hang of the globe concept. Just re-reading and editing, I realize how "euro-centric" the last paragraph was I'm sure that Mayans/Aztecs/Incas, Chinese/Mongolians, Blackfoot/Apache/Sioux/Arapahoe (sorry, still can't say "native Americans" "America" is derived from a Spanish word, for God's sake! Then again, most of the names of the tribes are Europeanised), Indians, Persians etc. etc. yadda yadda yadda probably got the hang of it long before Paris, Aggamemnon, Odysseus, Achilles and their mates decided to lay waste to an entire city to rescue one woman! Talk about over-reaction! "You may leave school but it never leaves you" - I'd like to thank XTC and everyone on this list for making me think about stuff I haven't thought about since skule, and occasionally going away to research it before commenting! (Not often). Joseph Easter wrote: "Question for our resident know-it-alls..." No, no, NO! It's "A line for an eye, and a truce for the spoof"! Rory "stop the axis mundi, I want to get off" Wilsher
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Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 15:54:45 EDT
From: Blueruins@aol.com
Subject: Dave's not here now, man.
Message-ID: <b6.62ad532.26715405@aol.com>
Thanks to Michael Versaci to saying exactly how I feel about Gregsy's
absence.
I'm sure Dave's contributions would have been superb as always. The
only song where I've actually felt his loss is Wounded Horse. I think
perhaps he could have taken that one to another level.
My thoughts on Colin are that he is one of the most melodic bass
players since McCartney. In that department he is a phenomenally talented
musician. I don't think that Colin's songwriting approaches the brilliance
of Andy's. Initially it was Colin that I latched on to when I bought my
first XTC album, Oranges and Lemons. It took me a good week before I could
stand that melodramatic warbling spaz that is Andy Partridge. Once I got
past the Liza Minelli thing I fell in love with the crazy f***ker. I think
Colins songs are a nice compliment to Andy's and they serve to dilute the
concentrated Partridge flavor which is so sweet you can O.D. on the stuff.
Colin has written some great songs over the years, but I don't think XTC
would be my most favoritest band if it were just Colin and Co..
And now a distraction before I am hunted down like the dog I am...
Anyone on this list into John Hiatt? He is another songwriter that
seems to be lurking somewhere there behind your speakers when you listen.
I would highly recommend "Bring the Family", "Slow Turning" and "Walk On"
for those interested. It is very American music so those of you who only
dig the brit-pop thing will probably not be impressed.
Brett Reeves
"Tonight I'm howling at a foreign moon
It might as well be a junkie's spoon
for all the light it's given me"-John Hiatt
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 20:58:49 +0100 (BST) From: Rory Wilsher <rory_wilsher@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Jukebox Turn-offs Message-ID: <20000608195849.26886.qmail@web1503.mail.yahoo.com> Anything by Duran Duran. Works every time. Rory "Likes Duran Duran" Wilsher p.s...and Depeche Mode.
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 16:58:35 EDT From: Hbsherwood@aol.com Subject: Clusical Miches Message-ID: <e0.56f8e2c.267162fb@aol.com> Great post from Dunks (much snippage): >From: "Duncan Kimball" <dunks58@hotmail.com> >Subject: Musical cliches >Here's a few music cliches I can think of off the top of my head: > >* the 'Arabesque' >* the 'Oriental' >* the 'Red Indian' >- 'The Stripper' >- 'The Circus' Add to these scene-setters such as * The Hillbilly: A few bars of twangy breakdown, courtesy of some hapless protege of Earl Scruggs, to establish that the scene is set in the Ozarks, as opposed to, say, the Urals. "Boss Hogg was in a real bad mood that day..." * Castanets and a flamenco flourish! Eeeeeeeeeespana! * Variation of The Arabesque, the Muezzin calling the faithful to prayer. Best parodied by the Firesign Theater in "How Can You Be in Two Places At Once" * Hava Nagila. Nuff Sed. The Sixties--and particularly Sixties television--were probably the apex of the Musical Cliche, don't you think? *Just* before the onset of Postmodernism, where we all *get* the jokes and snicker behind our hands like the clued-in, irony-aware hepcats we all are. Back then, scriptwriters basically didn't trust audiences to be jacked-in enough to fill in the blanks on their own, so they figured they had to conk them over the head with Big Obvious Musical Cues: Hey: the woman you are now witnessing entering the room is a VERY HOT TOMATO: Observe the slinky dress and the Jane Russell sweater: A lotta dese and a lotta dose, hey? So just in case you don't fully appreciate the HOTNESS of this particular TOMATO, please be aware of the SLEAZY BREATHY SAXOPHONE playing late-night blooze figures on the soundtrack, OK? Is it CLEAR ENOUGH now? What we think of as Self-Referential Postmodern Irony began the day somebody figured out that it would be really funny if they played those same sleazy sax runs over the entrance of Kate Smith.... Harrison "White with foam" Sherwood
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 13:51:50 -0700 From: Ed Kedzierski <ed.kedzierski@blvdmedia.com> Subject: Musical! Message-ID: <08B5DDC2BABCD311BFC6005004A884B013B6B2@mgcservices.com> Todd & Dunks were talking about musicals, with Todd quoting Dunks & saying: Dunks wondered > But ... a MUSICAL ... based on "The Full Monty"? > Jesus Christ, WHY? Because some people like musicals, even if you don't, my man! Would you have the same question about "South Pacific", which is also based on a book? "My Fair Lady"? "The Wizard of Oz"? C'mon, mate... I have to say I'm conflicted about this. I think that the better musicals have in fact produced some of the best (pre "rock") pop music of the last century... up to about 1970 (can't help noticing that the ones Todd cites are all from before that). After that, they've produced some of the worst crap ever made. This was, I think, mostly the result of misguided (if totally understandable) attempts to graft "rock" sensibilities onto the form, with the result that the "musical show tune" lost it's goofy charm, none of the energy of rock (or whatever you want to call it) was really translated properly, and we ended up with a sickly melodramatic one-note earnestness for the last thirty years. "Godspell" and the works of the dreaded "Lord Darth Weber" are the main culprits if you ask me, though there are certainly others (few things seem to start out with unashamedly silly "here's who we are" numbers; they've been supplanted by soaring-voiced "Day by Day" ripoffs). The voices of most of the talent really seem to be trained in one direction these days as well; I mean, when was it decided that that cloying "wide-eyed tenor" sound was the only way to sing in a musical? I actually have something of a weakness for the old goofy stuff, going right back to Gilbert & Sullivan (which accounts to some degree for my affection for Colin's later stuff, but more on that in a future post), but for the most part recent musicals seem afraid to be seen having fun, or being too silly, which I think is the one thing you should definitely leave behind when trying to graft "rock" elements onto another form. That said, I'm not saying that a musical written now is automatically destined to be bad just because it's after 1970. I've enjoyed both of Mr. Yazbek's albums, and I wouldn't be surprised if he was able to do something different than the usual recent Broadway assembly-line sludge. He clearly isn't hung up on avoiding silliness at all costs. Some of the names of the numbers mentioned also sound unlikely to be moon-faced cow-eyed into-the-spotlight dirges. True, I'd had enough of the relentless popularity of "Full Monty" long before I even heard about the musical, but these things depend quite a lot on reworking the familiar; they die without big audiences. Of course, I don't know how likely I am to see it in any case, considering the stratospheric ticket prices for big-budget musicals... I guess all that I'm saying is that I can well understand anyone who shudders at the word "musical" if they've been hearing excerpted numbers from the big hit shows of the last thirty years, as they've truly been dire. And it's "Full Monty"... and it's now set in the States... well, yeah, I know. On the other hand, well... Yazbek's pretty good, musicals have been good before (even if not for a long while) and you never can tell... Ed K.
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