Chalkhills Digest Volume 6, Issue 194
Date: Tuesday, 18 July 2000
Chalkhills Digest, Volume 6, Number 194
Tuesday, 18 July 2000
Topics:
gen gap, etc.
Ok, I get it now.
Any other music out there?
re: alien question...
Re: Todd
old mr. grumpypants
X stuff and the alien question
Terrible songs of the 70s and other bits . . .
...gonna be a dental floss tycoon
mummer
Re: UNIXTC
Grey Army
Oh the good people want what the bad people's got
Frank Sinatra
Beginnings........
XTC is Orgasmic!
10ccDunks
Them Kids!
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---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 20:53:50 -0700 From: alec <errora@earthlink.com> Subject: gen gap, etc. Message-ID: <3973D4C3.BE51C18A@earthlink.com> > From: Tyler Hewitt <tahewitt@yahoo.com> > Subject: the list-again > > What i found most telling about that episode of the > List is how unwilling young people are to do the same > thing today. This in itself is fine, I guess, but the > larger issue for me is that the youth of today seem > unable or unwilling to think for themselves. Yeah, I > know that this is supposedly typical of people that > age, but for someone who was the town freak in high > school because I dared listen to XTC, The Clash, > Elvis Costello, etc. I find the herd mentality > incomprehensible. these are good points. i've found that people in their teens and twenties are part of the refining generation: refined technology, information access and pop culture. they blend it and blend until it's like clear sugar water. nothing against 20-somethings. i don't think they've had to go through all the growing pains that 30 somethings went through--societal growing pains, too--with punk, new wave, etc. maybe they have their own versions of those things. what have they got? the slacker stuff? grunge? nirvana, etc.? "rave" culture? techno and dance culture remains to be interesting in it's constant blurring of the lines between above and under grounds, leaving nothing sacred, making everything like bubblegum. they're all so seemingly well-adjusted to all genres and attitudes available to them: hippy, punk, new wave, yuppie, technoid, preppy, "hunk", bad boy/girl, good boy/girl, goth, alt, slacker, dyke, diva, book worm, lounge, jazzer, grunger, '70s burnout , '60s swinger all at once. everything's included--frank to led zepp. it's all cool all at once for the first time maybe in 100 years, i don't know. XTC came out during the deeply divided '70s and '80s where cool and uncool were very seperated and everyone knew what to adore and what to hate. many people poured over lyrics on record covers. after the acid generation, the me generation and the punk/new wave generation all finally grew older in years, the trends (and the technology) just kept coming so quickly, consequently each new generation of coming of agers had a shorter and shorter memory/attention span. does that seem fair?
------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 08:58:10 -0400 From: Steve Dockery <sdockery@gte.net> Subject: Ok, I get it now. Message-ID: <B599CCA1.142D%sdockery@gte.net> Hey Folx- Those of you with photographic memories may recall that when WS came out, I wasn't too keen on "Church of Women" and "The Wheel and the Maypole." Ok, I humbly apologize now. Time has done its business on me (as I knew it would), and now they are two of my favorites (particularly TWATM). Maybe I'm just a little slow. -Steve "Agrees that Robert Plant is one of the worst ever vocalists in rock and roll" Dockery
------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 10:44:10 -0400 From: "Amari, Richard" <RAmari@penguinputnam.com> Subject: Any other music out there? Message-ID: <0325F31466C9D111A76D00A0C99DD26901488E2D@MSXCHNY2> Chalkhillians are at their best when they recommend good music. I've been turned on to great albums from Blur, Nick Heyward, Duffy, Sloan and of course Yazbek through Chalkhills. Can anybody take time off from the Martians babble and that foul VH1 show (that was real stink-o, wasn't it?) to give me ideas on what CD's I can spend my money on. I've worn out Wasp Star. Now I'm playing the Monkees over and over and I need something new! Please help a fellow Chalkee. E-mail me with some recommendations for good pop albums. God I'm so bored! Richard
------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 04:23:19 -0400 From: "Daniel Phipps" <phipps@schoollink.net> Subject: re: alien question... Message-ID: <000b01bff091$6eefd9c0$918c04d8@pavilion> re: > Ok, here's the scenario. You're being abducted by kindly aliens from a > galaxy far, far, away. You are told to bring 5 music CD's with you . > What are they? neat question! here's my answer -- 1. "english settlement" -- xtc 2. "tales from topographic oceans" -- yes 3. "king strut & other stories" -- peter blegvad 4. "& love for all" -- the lilac time 5. "pink moon" -- nick drake but then somewhere on my person, i would *have* to stash another ten somewhere 'cos five simply ain't enough!!!! :-) back to delurk and still waiting for warbles that are fuzzy! (where *is* it, guys?????) /dan ------------------------------------------------------------------------- /dan & ginger phipps <phipps@schoollink.net> "right here in this moment is right where i'm meant to be..." (edwin mccain)
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Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 07:44:39 -0400
From: Richard Hamilton <shepham@frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Todd
Message-ID: <B599BB66.608A%shepham@frontiernet.net>
Hey Chalklisters:
New to the list after (re)discovering xtc two weeks ago (something made me
do a search on cdnow.com for "xtc" and to my VERY HAPPY surprise I see they
have TWO new volumes). Since "Nonsuch" was released soooo many years ago I
haven't heard peep from them and I just figured they fell off the earth, but
WHOA what a great set of albums they've come out with (my faves at the
moment include Harvest Festival, Last Balloon, I Can't Own Her/ Church of
Women, Another Life, Wounded Horse). Excellent job on both albums boys,
please don't make me wait another 7 years for the next batch!
My reason for responding, however, is to defend MR. Rundrgren from the "Band
That Were Once Great Yet (Alas) Now Suck" list.
Jeff Eason wrote:
> As much as it pains me to say so, Todd Rundgren belongs on the list. He
> made great pop albums in the late 60s/early 70s; psychedelic masterpieces
> in the late 70s/early 80s; and has produced some real garbage in the 90s. I
> liked his "With a Twist" album but that was really a bunch of retreads with
> a salsa feel to them. None of the songs were written recently.
I want to point out that Todd has a new release ("One Long Year") that
contains about 45 minutes of new material, some of it continuing in Todd's
"experimental" vein, and if you EVER liked Todd at all you should like this
album. Furthermore, I have to defend The Individualist (97? 98? can't
remember) since it contains (IMHO) some of the best songwriting Todd has
done in years (despite the couple of songs on which Todd feels inclined to
rap). As far as the other 90's albums (No World Order, Second Wind) I can
generally take them or leave them, each has its charm but they definitely
don't overwhelm. So PLEASE take Todd of your list, Jeff: and definitely give
"One Long Year" a listen (especially the hysterical "I Hate my Fricking ISP"
and "Buffalo Grass").
------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 22:45:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Tyler Hewitt <tahewitt@yahoo.com> Subject: old mr. grumpypants Message-ID: <20000718054546.4903.qmail@web2101.mail.yahoo.com> um.. just re-read my post about those goshdarn kids and how stupid they all are, and it struck me how crabby the whole thing sounded. Didn't mean to overgeneralize. I really do have good students, too (ok, I didn't last semester), they're not all brain dead zombies. I've known many people younger than me who are intelligent people capable of independant thought and sparkling conversation as well. Just not last semester. Can you tell I had a bad smester? I stand by what I said about Frank Sinatra and especially Robert Plant. There used to be a show on Comedy Central called Viva Variety. They used to pull people out of the audience to play faux game shows. I saw one where the show was called 'Plant or Animal?'. It consisded of a screeching sound being played, and the contestant had to guess whether the sound was made by an animal or Robert Plant. Pretty funny, and surprisingly hard to tell which was which! Tyler "I may be crabby, but I'm not old am I? Please tell me I'm not old" Hewitt
------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 02:09:28 -0500 From: Ned <nedrise@MNSi.Net> Subject: X stuff and the alien question Message-ID: <3974029E.E2B961F3@mnsi.net> Hi Chalkees Speaking of X type stuff, anybody see the X-MEN movie? I used to be an X-men fanatic, long ago when it was the best comic book around. I thought the movie was OK. The characters are great. Whoever did the casting deserves a big bonus. But the plot is pretty ho-hum. Too much time spent on introducing the characters, backgrounds, etc. Not edgy enough. Still, it wasn't bad. On to the alien question. John Hedges, your response was great, but remember these are apparently benign creatures. I think we should give them a chance before we crank on the Destroy-All-Monsters mode. Maybe they're whisking us off to the Milky Way Music Conference and need to know about Earth's finest music. Perhaps they intercepted an interplanetary probe from Earth that contained some recordings of our finest music, and are compelled to hear more(maybe we could convince Nasa or somebody to send out an all-XTC-music probe out there. That would certainly give non-terrans a great impression of the human race. Much better than we deserve). In that case, I'm inclined to bring along some of what I think is great music, so here's my five favourites(today): The best of Roger Miller Genesis - Selling England by the Pound Jon Hassel - Power Spot Ween - The Mollusk Clifford Brown and Max Roach at Birdland Sorry, no XTC(today). Nice to see people putting Inervisions on their lists - I could easily have chosen that one as well. Mike "The school I went to had 37 students, me and 36 Indians. One time we had a school dance and it rained for 36 days straight. During recess we used to play cowboy and Indians and things got pretty wild from my standpoint." -Roger Miller
------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 10:57:30 +0100 From: "Smith, David" <David.Smith@tfeurope.com> Subject: Terrible songs of the 70s and other bits . . . Message-ID: <4BBE67B71C1DD411A23600508B65F71E685FFF@tfsecmsg04.tfseur.co.uk> Awright Hillers? Iain Murray said > "Chirpy Chirpy Cheep Cheep" (can't remember who did > that one, which is probably just as well). I think it was the HUGELY aptly named "Middle Of The Road". And while we're at it, how about: Summer (The First Time) - Bobby Goldsboro Seasons in the Sun - Terry Jacks I'd Love You To Want Me - Lobo Me And You and a Dog Named Boo - was that bloody Lobo again? And the piece de resistance . . . Deck of Cards (that one about the soldier caught playing cards in church and then spinning the yarn about how it reminds him of the bible). ". . . and the charge against the soldier was dismissed . . ." Bleeeerck! If anyone can tell me who it was by, I'll laugh at them - fair? Iain also said > (Actually, I was in favour of a particularly nifty Bob Mould > instrumental, but my wife out-voted me - or so she thinks. > My attempts at XTC-brainwashing were 100% successful Was it "Sunspots" by any chance? John Hedges said > But your primary focus should be on escaping the aliens! Why? Maybe they're nice aliens? Don't you know we're all light? Seth, the best Xtc album to listen to while very intoxicated is undoubtedly Mummer. Lots of "tribal" (well, rustic) beats, Andy singing like a demented rutting pig (meant as a complement), and if you manage to stay conscious long enough you can pass out to "Me and The Wind" only to be jerked rudely awake again by "Funk Pop A Roll". Great! Smudge out . . . Smudgeboy E-Mail: david.smith@tfeurope.com "It's just a rumour that was speread around town A telegram or a picture postcard Within a week they'll be reopening the shipyards And notifying the next of kin . . . once again"
------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 09:22:09 +0200 From: Klaus Bergmaier <klaus.bergmaier@maxonline.at> Subject: ...gonna be a dental floss tycoon Message-ID: <51018E3C4D8BD311A8E90000C0C7910D01CB62@NTSRV> Dear all! I just wanted to give you the opportunity to see a bit of the big XTC feature in German musician's magazine "Keyboards": www.keyboards.de/magazine/m0800/xtc.html Which 5 CDs would I take with me while being abducted by aliens? It's not important which ones I take, because I'm sure they won't have a CD-player on the flying saucer. But seriously: I would take 5 CDs which I have never listened to before. That would be much more interesting than taking along 5 albums I already know by heart... Bands, that were great once, but now suck: Rod Stewart (Didn't he suck almost all of the time? No, he didn't in the late 60s on albums with Jeff Beck), the same goes for Joe Cocker. Phil Collins. These are no bands, I know. But I have to admit, athough I am still a big fan: all of you were right with Genesis, Yes and most of all Chicago. Uriah Heep? Moody Blues? Dream Theater? Pink Floyd. Status Quo. Human League. You shouldn't put Todd Rundgren on the list. I have to admit, the most recent album I heard of him is 2nd Wind, which is great. XTC will never suck; that's the most important thing! BTW here is my list of favourite songs per album: WM: Do what you do Go2: I am the Audience D&W: That is the Way BS: Respectable Street (sorry, Colin) ES: Fly ont the Wall Mummer: In Loving Memory of a Name BE: I Remeber the Sun/Washaway (are CD bonus tracks allowed?) 25 o'clock: What in the World? Skylarking: Dying PsPs: The Affiliated O&L: Cynical Days/Chalkhills and Children (I can't really decide) Nonsuch: The SmartestMonkeys AV1: can't decide WS: Standing in for Joe Rag'n'Bone Buffett: World Is Full of Angry Young Men No favourite on Explode Together and Homespun Am I a fan of CM? I am. Best wishes from Austria Klaus
------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 23:18:20 -0600 From: "Joseph Easter" <easter2000@earthlink.net> Subject: mummer Message-ID: <007701bff077$974c55c0$c6730a3f@default> You people have been smoking too much reefer. Why would anyone consider xtc a hippie band? I've never been so offended. Furthermore, I am terribly dissapointed that everyone seems to favor English Settlement over Mummer. Nothing against ES, but M has more winners on it. What can I say? I'm a sucka' for Wonderland... On intoxication: Everyone knows that Black Sea is a A) Super Album for Really Hot Days B) Super Album for Really Hot Daze i.e. a great drinking album! Furthermore, whoever was in turmoil concerning whether Playground or Respectable Street was a better lead off, hesitate no longer! Respectable Street stands the time of test. Begin your burning on my command..............now! Also, I had nothing to do with this Redwood character. Me and some friends went camping and when I came home, some complete freako had taken over my apartment and was accessing the web as me. Needless to say, I went Hannibal on his ass, and I've got baggies in the freezer to last me through Labor Day. Hungry? I couldn't quit singing Great Fire while camping. It just doesn't get old. Don't dismiss Mummer. Joseph "Shaft, he's a bad mother-" Easter I can't believe so many people went apeshit about Casey Kasem. I mean, I do.
------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 01:16:56 -0400 From: "Brian" <mattone@bhip.infi.net> Subject: Re: UNIXTC Message-ID: <016b01bff077$65396d20$3de49cd1@Brian> Tschalkgerz! > >> Why don't you get a PC or Mac instead > of using UNIX. I never saw the meaning of UNIX. Most > programs don't use UNIX. Why don't you get into the > modern age, Joe and get a freaking PC or Mac. You > won't get anywhere with UNIX. << > > This paragraph show a severe lack of understanding about the world of > computers. Just to follow up on this UNIX thread, I give you these links from Mr. John Dowdell at Macromedia: Some-but-not-all Unix-style systems have Macromedia Flash Players: http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/download/alternates/ Other people have also created SWF renderers: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Labyrinth/5084/flash/download.html XTC content? UNIX and XTC both share a letter! -Brian Matthews
------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 08:58:14 +0100 From: Adrian Ransome <Adrian.Ransome@tsi-ltd.co.uk> Subject: Grey Army Message-ID: <497FEA72C392D3118AE700508B7311773E28F2@NT4SERVER03> To all those posters complaining about the youth of today: Come and listen to Radio Two with me. I've got some lovely cardigans in a neat pile over there, there's some really sweet cocoa in those cups. I've got a gross of comfy slippers on order from Greenwoods and the complete set of back issues of The People's Friend for us all to read whilst we listen to cuddly old Jimmy Young play Winchester Cathedral by the Mike Sammes Singers. Those young people; they just haven't got a clue, have they? *sigh* Adrian
------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 10:02:47 -0500 From: "Wiencek, Dan" <dwiencek@crateandbarrel.com> Subject: Oh the good people want what the bad people's got Message-ID: <B697DB46B423D411BE970050DA793DE03420B9@ESCORP1> Kingstunes threw down this gauntlet: > (Cue up Mick): PAYPLE, PAYPLE!!! What about the SHAGGS!!!!??? No one's > picking up on this? Hello???? Or don't they count? I happen to love the Shaggs. I won't deny they couldn't sing or play their instruments properly; I won't even pretend to argue that their otherwordly sound was anything other than the result of staggering incompetence. And yet two things about the Shaggs are undeniable: 1) They sound like nothing else in the history of recorded sound. Palace Brothers (or Palace, Palace Music, whatever) only dream of sounding this fantastically primitive. (Helen Wiggin's drum outro on "My Companion" alone is enough to make you wonder "Did I just hear that?") 2) They're darn loveable once you give them a chance. They may not be good, but damn it, they try their little hearts out. As Colin Moulding himself recently said in the NPR interview (heavily paraphrased), the important thing with music is to communicate what's inside you, even if technically you're not that good at it. The Shaggs may not be good at it, but if writing a song called "The Philosophy of the World" ISN'T communicating what's inside you, I'd like to know what is. And I can't wait to see Drew Barrymore play Dot Wiggin. I couldn't think of a better actress; she has the perfect sort of guileless charm. I hope she does all her own singing. Forget Chicago. Forget ELP. The worst period/genre of rock n' roll is the hair-metal bands of the early eighties, and the worst of them was ... well, it's pretty near impossible to pick a single band. Let's put them together into an honorary supergroup: Extreme Motley Poison Bon Twisted Winger Warrant Ratt Riot Sister. I hope they're all playing proms. Dan
------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:42:22 +0100 From: "Davies, Huw (TPE)" <Huw.Davies3@wales.gsi.gov.uk> Subject: Frank Sinatra Message-ID: <7209B69A281BD4119EE50001FA7EA975AEAE6B@WOMAIL2> I've noticed that people are very anti-Frank Sinatra on this list. He's not all that bad. You shouldn't base your view of him solely on My Way which is probably Sinatra at his worst. You should check out his stuff from the 40's and 50's when he was at his peak. Mark said: >Lots of folk probably feel the same BUT most (the pre-Skylarking >material?) of the tracks on Fossil Fuel have been re-remastered for >this CD, using a little more care and much better equipment. >As a result they sound incredibly fresh and lively when you compare >them to the regular CD re-releases that were all mastered during the >80's, like f.i. The Compact XTC. Trust me: it's a world of difference >and will make you rediscover the early singles in particular. I have also noticed that some of the tracks on Fossil Fuel sound beter than on the original albums, especially the Big Express tracks. I have noticed that when I play the Big Express version of This World Over and then the Fossil Fuel version with the volume at the same level, the former is a lot quieter. Someone mentioned Mojo magazine's Top 100 songs. Andy Partridge was one of the songwriters asked to contribute. The article says that each contributers' list of songs will be on Mojo's website (www.mojomagazine.com) which I haven't yet been able to access. It would be interesting to see what songs Andy chose. Huw Davies (in Cardiff)
------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 09:21:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Jon Rosenberger <wile1coyote@yahoo.com> Subject: Beginnings........ Message-ID: <20000718162141.5957.qmail@web116.yahoomail.com> Greetings Chalkeratzi, Ed K seconded the opinion of Joe Easter that Chicago were the worst band ever. From: Ed Kedzierski <ed.kedzierski@blvdmedia.com> Subject: I second that demotion "As always, I'm sure the inevitable defence is forthcoming from someone..." Yep you are right Ed, I will. And you and I have traded some pretty decent messages in the past and I hope you think enough of my opinions that I might be able to change yours or at least get you to be more open minded about the subject. A few facts. Chicago is the longest running Rock\Pop act with more than 4 original members in the US. Second only to the Stones worldwide. They have recorded and released material in FIVE different decades. They have had at least one US pop chart Top 5 single in 4 of those decades, (They have yet to do it in the 00's). I'll admit that chart success means shit most of the time but I think you can look at the number of times and duration of their career and assume that this band is no one-hit wonder from Poughkeepsie. Of there first 4 LPS, three are double Lps and the fourth is a Live 4XLP. That is a lot of sides of Wax in a very short time. I note these items to clarify a point you made. Specifically... "That twit Mitch Miller earned my eternal enmity when he used to slag the Beatles and praise these hacks." Your feelings on Mr Miller aside I feel it is extremely unfair to refer to these gentleman as HACKS. Each is a highly accomplished musician and songwriter, if you don't like thir music, fine but you have to acknowledge that they can play their instruments pretty damn well. However I will also admit that they ain't the Beatles either, but SHIT who is? We can't all be Gahndi either. OK know some of my OPINIONS about the band. "Indeed you can! A-f**cking-men! Bleh. Beyond the "just come up with a proper goddamn album title already" thing, " OK Point one.. When has the Album title EVER been an indication of the content of the LP. Zep did the same thing with there first 4 LPS and those are all stellar (IMO). Content, Content, Content is what is important, as an XTC fan you should know better. Have you ever READ the cover of Go2 for god's sake? Chicago has always been a proponent of content over presentation. Point Two: Peter Cetera (now, it wasn't always) has one of the most whiney-annoying voices ever. His personal singing-songwriting style disgusts me and frankly I am DAMN-Glad he left the band. Unfortunatly his Light-pop ballads became a huge hit with the American Radio Listening Public and The band choose to follow the money. Don't know if I can judge them for that. I work a crap job that I don't like and I certainly am not doing it for it's artistic value. This event also coincided roughly with the tragic suicide of Terry Kath ( as noted in a post by Nedrise) the band's guitarist and one of it's more experimental members, music wise. The effect of the death of Kath is really the death of Chicago for me, They became a pseudo-Air Supply after that. And I am not bashing Air Supply but it just ain't my cuppa. Point Three: "Chicago Transit Authority" is Third on my all-time list of Favorite Lps. Ever Damn Note on this LP KICKS SERIOUS ASS. Please Don't slag off Chicago until you have listened to "South California Purples", "Freeform Guitar" ( Kath at his most experimental) or "Question 67 & 68". The level of MUSICIANSHIP that went into the writing and recording of this album just astounds me. Particularly as it was their freshman debut. I personally own like 5 copies of it on Vinyl cause I keep wearing them out. And remember this is a double LP. There is no other double Lp that I can think of that comes close to filling every track with perfection like this one does. The only other that I would even consider would be the Clash's "London Calling" Point Four: Yep Later-on they issued a lot of crap. I admit it, and as a Chicago fan it embarrases me quite a bit cause they could have been amazing if they had followed a little bit heavier path. I am just happy they left me what they did. So I will get off my soup box now. Thanks for reading if you did. Cheers TheMoleFromTheMinistry PS: I also like ELP, ELO, Wings and XTC, as well as the "H" band and I am really bummed they aren't doing any shows here. Can we start a petition or something?
------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 14:36:53 -0400 From: Ben Gott <bgott@bowdoin.edu> Subject: XTC is Orgasmic! Message-ID: <B59A1C04.2E00%bgott@bowdoin.edu> Gang, Well, I've managed to convert another person to the joys of XTC! This note comes from my friend Mia who, as you'll find out, is sad about boys, but is in love with XTC. (Her affair with the Andy and Colin began with AV1, which I played non-stop last Spring). The "lab" she refers to is the chem lab at UMass-Amherst, in which she is gainfully employed this summer. Yeah! -Ben > benners, > > i am in love with wasp star. it is so good. oh my. my new favorite song > in the whole universe right now is the man who murdered love. it makes me > dance around all day long. its been stuck in my head for ages. now i'm > listening to it at lab on the computer while i work on a little > description of my summer duties for our lab meeting. it makes me happy, > otherwise i'd be sad because the boy i'm crushing hardcore on has a > girlfriend and it makes me so so sad. sigh. i'll just have to find a new > crush, but i can't until september. right now, he's the best boy around. > oh well. anyhow, just wanted to tell you that i'm love with xtc. > > i also really like stupidly happy, my brown guitar, um. every song! > > love mia
------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 09:14:26 +0100 From: Belinda Blanchard <b.blanchard@which.net> Subject: 10ccDunks Message-ID: <397411E2.9A0C34A1@which.net> Hey Dunks said everything I feel about 10CC and I was one of the three people who got Consequences IN WHOLE when first it was released. The Hipgnosis covers indeed were wonderful. Ismism just makes me go into top gear no matter what I do which can be kind of dangerous. Oh Donna! Didn't one of them go into a weird band called Fox with a trippy hippy fem lead singer? Anyhow, also agree with the fact that with G&C split away Eric Stewart (who, like Janet Suzman, always looks like he is breathing through his mouth even when he's not - don't ask me to splain that one) never did anything of note. And Midnight Oil's 987654321 would come with me on my alien abduction. Saw them live and was completely and utterly taken over. Is there any likelihood of the recent American VH1 thing making it over here? Sounds like we won't be missing anything if it doesn't but some of us would find the humour sick, and we quite like that. As for Miles Hunt and The Stuffies Mmmmmmmmmm with chocolate. Eight Legged Groove Machine is the one to buy. Belinda
------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 11:12:42 PDT From: "Ralph Simpson DeMarco" <sawpit@hotmail.com> Subject: Them Kids! Message-ID: <20000718181242.75845.qmail@hotmail.com> Chalkers: OK I admit, I am an old man of 34. Michael Versaci response when I wrote that there is no hope for the younger generation: <Lighten up, Ralphie Boy! Imagine if "The List" was in production in 1975, hosted by Donny Osmond, with guests David Cassidy, Susan Dey, Bobby Sherman and Steve Allen? What would have fans of Steve Allen thought? Would you have been comfortable with the oldsters making judgments about us based on the guests of that episode? This same "younger generation" that you are so quick to dismiss is also capable of making films like "Good Will Hunting" and "Chasing Amy." OK. You lost me! I thought we were talking about music, not movies. I think that you have a panel of people there who are a hell of a lot smarter than the idiots on "The List" who didn't even mention that MC Hammer's "Can't Touch This" is really a take-off of Rick Jame's "Super Freak". How many on that show even knew that? It's pathetic to think that the producers didn't list an obvious song like "Celebration" by Kool and the Gang - talk about over-played songs! And, again, they constantly confused "overplayed" song to mean "bad" song - especially with Andy's choices. <It seems to me that as a result of that show, some new people will be introduced to XTC's wonderful music. For God's sake, I hope so! Do you REALLY think that in ten-twenty years "Livin' La Vida Loca" will have be played as MANY TIMES as have "Stairway to Heaven", "My Way" or "Rock 'n Roll (part 2)" have? My point is that although I am 34, I made it my business to discover where rock 'n roll came from. If you have no clue about the roots of rock/blues/soul, than you have no business even judging much of the new music out today. It's the same as any other kind of critical analysis. I may not agree with you, but if you have done your homework, I can respect you. After reading so many rock reviews that are so ignorant, it makes one shudder. I read a review of Wasp Star in Time Out New York and it says that because XTC uses a drum machine, you can't really call it rock! A drum machine! The idiot probably listened to one song (Stupidly Happy) and never even bothered to read the album credits? In the 70s at least we had the Midnight Special, American Bandstand and Soul Train. What do we have now? MTV is all game shows and "Real World", and VH1 has rock bios with commerical breaks every two minutes! Rock videos have made good looks MUCH more important than music (it used to be about 50-50). I saw a song book for Christine Agulara (spell?) and not one song was written by her, and all the songs were the same old tired lyrics you have heard a million times in a millions songs. At least new-wave was original sounding, the new stuff is mostly crap. Ralph
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