Chalkhills Digest Volume 6, Issue 79
Date: Friday, 14 April 2000
Chalkhills Digest, Volume 6, Number 79
Friday, 14 April 2000
Topics:
Two sides to every story
High Fidelity - the book
XTCipher
On a previous riff
Fuzzy Warbles
Re: This Surfer Girl Boy
Kurt Schwitters is alive and well and living in Chalkhills
Marquee Moon is worth way more than $.96
Rage
Brown: How smells the settled dust?
Spoil-sport
Was Part Napper...
Napster ad nauseum
Me Stupid :P
Spoilers. Scroll down if you must....
Better listen to your radio...
Domplicated Game
Smells Like Victory
Jeff Buckley
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---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 16:24:07 -0700 From: Richard Pedretti-Allen <richard@tactics.com> Subject: Two sides to every story Message-ID: <l03130307b51c077373d0@[165.227.110.102]> "Joe" is the name of the horse.
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 16:29:14 -0700 From: Ed Kedzierski <ed.kedzierski@blvdmedia.com> Subject: High Fidelity - the book Message-ID: <08B5DDC2BABCD311BFC6005004A884B013B5CD@mgcservices.com> Way back in 6-69, the Mole gave a glowing recommendation to High Fidelity - the movie. Well, I'm currently about halfway through the book (tearing through - stayed up way too late last night, I couldn't put it down, should be finished tonight or tomorrow), and I'm loving it. What he said about describing the inner workings of a music (or any other kind) geek's mind is sure spot on, possibly even more so in the book's case (it is a book, after all), though I'll wait until I see the movie. All the reviews I've seen claim that the geographical shift hasn't damaged it, which I hope is true, because if the movie is even half as funny as the book, then it's definitely worth it. Even if you're not (or don't like to be called) a full-on music "geek", anyone with a drop or two of geek blood, anyone who knows a truly obsessive music geek, or indeed anyone who reads this digest often enough will find something to identify with. It's been a while since a book has made me laugh out loud (the last one was probably "Stark"), and I can't reccomended it highly enough. I'm definitely going to check out the movie now. Read the book. See the movie. Do both. Or just see the movie if you don't like to read (simpleton). Or just read the book if you hate movies (snob). Whatever, just be sure to check out "High Fidelity" in some form. (I'm not affiliated with any organization that might financially reward me for saying this. I wish I was, though... nice work if you can get it, etc.) Ed K.
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 20:34:34 -0400 (EDT) From: RSMko@webtv.net (Moore's Code) Subject: XTCipher Message-ID: <20350-38F6679A-346@storefull-258.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Hey, Tarquin Gotch! Go here, NOW!! http://www.angelfire.com/nj2/dilimo/autoreverse.html I'm The Man Who Murdered Courtney Love! uh, Julia Roberts
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 22:52:53 EDT From: WTDK@aol.com Subject: On a previous riff Message-ID: <31.3b1f2d7.2627e205@aol.com> Well we've gone through the most overrated albums by other bands (happen to agree about Exile--it is both overrated and could easily be reduced to one good album much like the White Album) At the risk of boring everyone on the list any takers for the most album (let's stay with some really obscure stuff here folks so that we all might pick up on a new, interesting artist) or the most overrated Xtc album (and why--be specific, offensive, radical and, yes, nasty if you must). Hey, after that we can work on the most overrated and underrated post. Anyhow, any takers? Wayne
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 22:48:39 EDT From: WTDK@aol.com Subject: Fuzzy Warbles Message-ID: <18.25bbb56.2627e107@aol.com> Just curious if anyone knows what's happening with the demos release. Rumor has it that FW isn't likely to happen because of the pissing match that Virgin has engaged in with the guys. Sounds like someone at Virgin (despite all the mergers) still has a grudge to settle. Perhaps they should consider Celebrity Death Match and let Andy and Colin get on with their lives. I'm hoping that someone or something will knock the wind out of Virgin's sales. Maybe (if Virgin screws up the release of FW and torches any chance of the demos finally being available in pristine form) we could come up with our own FW (who knows maybe even A&C would "accidentally" leak their original demos for remastering). Then again, I wouldn't want them deprived of their royalties (paltry though they may be because of the Devil's bargain they had to strike with Virgin). Wishful thinking. Speaking of demos anybody know if Wasp Star will sire something similar to Homespun? Are we likely to get the demos that didn't make the album as b sides to the singles this time (making them more essential than the singles release from AV1)? Will Colin be making any appearances besides LA and NY this time (it would be nice to see in the Bay Area). As a film grad (from UCLA, yes the other school) I've never been surprised about Xtc's popularity within the creative community. Their music isn't the lifeless preprogrammed crap that appears on most radio stations (hate to say it but it applies as much to Mariah Carey as it does to most power pop and rock bands). Sadly, no one from my class has made it quite as big as those folks mentioned. It's a matter of timing, talent and who you know. Mmmm sounds a lot like the music industry. (SPOILER OF SORTS FOLKS) I wonder if the pop elements that crop up consistently through WS will bump the band's sales up a bit. The sad thing is that they seem to have peaked sales wise (in the US at least) with Skylarking and O&L. Is their time past or are they so hopelessly out of fashion that they will be back in fashion? It's always nice to see the artists you admire find new fans. The marginal existence that plagues a lot of fine bands and authors continues to be part of the injustice of our homogenized world. A non Xtc note: Anyone interested in a CDR transfer of the Talking Heads The Name of this Band is Talking Heads please let me know off list. I've been waiting for this great album (with wonderful playing by Adrian Belew) to make an appearance on CD. I decided to take matters into my own hands and make a CDR from the original album. Email me off list if you're interested. One final question--has Colin ever considered a solo album (beyond the dabbling he did as the Colonel, etc.)? I love the group dynamic, but I'd love to see him step out from behind Andy's shadow for a change. Don't get me wrong, I love Andy's stuff as well but this would be a chance for Colin to try experiments he might otherwise not get to do. Didn't mean to be so long winded (well, yeah, really I did) but waiting for the official release of WS and relistening to some of the band's older stuff has overstimulated the question center in my brain (quick! Someone take his Xtc collection away before he hurts someone!) Wayne
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 23:00:36 EDT From: WTDK@aol.com Subject: Re: This Surfer Girl Boy Message-ID: <69.39bb0d8.2627e3d4@aol.com> In a message dated 4/11/00 11:24:53 AM Pacific Daylight Time, <owner-chalkhills@chalkhills.org> writes: > i would say that 'this boy' is a rather less sophisticated song to surfer > girl et al. Judging from the ed sullivan shows it was an excellent > melodramatic moment in a highly charged show which sounds tame in the > studio. > > jon I beg (OK, I know its not necessary to beg here) to disagree. The sheer power and yearning in Lennon's vocal blows away Surfer Girl IMHO. Both are great songs and are brilliantly performed but the angst in Lennon's vocal (along with the block harmonies) blows away Surfer Girl. There's no doubt that there are other BBsongs that can blow some Beatles songs out of the water (and vice versa--Good Vibrations with its audacious arrangement springs to mind). Nobody in the Beach Boys could touch Lennon as a vocalist. While his vocal range wasn't as good as Paul's, he had a unique quality to be able to tap into his emotional center and pour that raw emotion into the heart of a song (great run on sentence there). XTC point--This is one of the few Lennonesque qualities that I've found in Andy.
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 21:09:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Tyler Hewitt <tahewitt@yahoo.com> Subject: Kurt Schwitters is alive and well and living in Chalkhills Message-ID: <20000414040921.6440.qmail@web2103.mail.yahoo.com> RE: sir han TM BG be gee, bourbon curvin swervin dservin coolin, sweatin, smokin, 'laxin, chicko ria rilke dolphy de lurk de klerk cap kirk wax werx, cup jo big perk ber zerk slay circ bet boop poop soup quo loup who's who, hoo hoo jou dou tutu voodoo Etc. etc. I heard Talking Heads were reforming. The first thing they are doing is setting the text above to music. It'l have an Arican sound to it. They've got Brian Eno on board as producer...
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 21:21:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Tyler Hewitt <tahewitt@yahoo.com> Subject: Marquee Moon is worth way more than $.96 Message-ID: <20000414042140.8052.qmail@web2102.mail.yahoo.com> RE: The royalties paid for this are minimal. I believe they are less than $10 per year for even the biggest hits. I believe Tom Verlaine (Television) gets payed something like 96 cents per year for Television's classic Marquee Moon record. What happens is that radio stations pay ASCAP/BMI, and this money is distributed to the artists. It isn't based on how often it gets played, because I've never heard of a radio station reporting its playlist to either of the two companies. ------------- Is this true? I heard someone on the radio talking about Tommy James (of the SHondells) about ten years ago. He said thet Tommy JAmes made about 120,000 a year just from royalties from his songs being played. I've always heard that songwriters get a much larger cut than performers, but Verlaine wrote for Television. I suppose the guy on the radio may not have knowh what he is talking about. That figure could have been based on record sales as well. By the way, you should all get your hands on a copy of Marquee Moon. A truly Excellant album.
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 22:00:02 PDT From: "andrew hawkes" <doctorhawkes@hotmail.com> Subject: Rage Message-ID: <20000414050002.36597.qmail@hotmail.com> For any Australian insomniacs out there, Dear God is playing just after 2am on Sat night's Rage along with some Pogues, Specials, TMBG & Tom Waits. This comes only two weeks after someone programmed This is Pop.
------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 09:17:26 -0500 From: Jill Oleson <Jill_Oleson@kurion.com> Subject: Brown: How smells the settled dust? Message-ID: <81CC73FC2FACD311A2D200508B8B88AA0D6FF8@KURION_EXCH> The equally charming Ms. Debora Brown asked what I thought of Wasp Star since it has been a while since I received a taped copy in the mail. Unfortunately, I only listened to it twice before it was stolen from me. Some wretched sod (who would be my husband) wrested it from my clutching grasp, listened to it repeatedly and never returned it. Then he has the nerve to whistle those coveted tunes while bathing alone in the shower. Hmmm.... Can you smell a lynching in the making? Shall I pour something special in his coffee from a bottle under the kitchen sink? One decorated with a skull and crossbones? Did you read in Chalkhills where he announced that he took it to bed with him where on those soft cotton sheets he... he... [well, I don't really know because I was not there...but I have a good imagination... don't you?] Note: I received a free CD of AV1 from a kindly soul before it was released to the general public. Still, when the CD was finally available for purchase, I bought 13 -- count 'em -- thirteen copies! I asked Andy to autograph 6 of them while I was on vacation in San Francisco. He was so sweet and agreeable. Surely his wrist must have pained him after a couple of weeks of constant use on the autograph tour, but he did not complain -- at least, not to me. He even personalized a few for me to give to some of our fellow Chalkers. I hope to get another opportunity to do the same with Wasp Star. I think this new album will make the perfect present for friends and family. Thanks for asking Debora, even though I completely avoided answering your question. (Did you notice that?) Jill Oleson Austin, Texas
------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 11:10:42 -0400 From: urlkonig@mindspring.com Subject: Spoil-sport Message-ID: <Springmail.105.955725042.0.59375600@www.springmail.com> My desperate search for an advance copy finally paid off and, after 4 days of repeated listenings, I've got a few comments to toss out to those of you who have heard the disc. Nay -- page down not -- this will not be a song-by-song, blow-by-blow-down. IF there is one extraordinary production choice that really defines Wasp Star's sound, it has to be the near _absence_ of reverb. With the exception of CM's "Boarded Up" and a few snare -drum hits, there's just no reverb! The overall result is a really tight, controlled vibe. This is not to say that AP & CM haven't done some ingenious things with the effects -- there's plenty of clever use of delay (usually quick/slap back echo) and some wild panning going on. This of course just reinforces the fundamental separation in concepts between AVI & II. The level of control here initially hit my ears as an "over-careful" approach, particularly regarding tempo. Those of you who have worn out your copies of the demos will find "My Brown Guitar" and "The Man Who Murdered Love" a bit slow at first hearing ( the tempo shift makes it seem as if AP is giving elocution lessons -- I -.'m - the -man- who-.mur-der-ed-Love-") but happily, this cross-phasing between the mental image of the demos and the new versions does subside. It's just one of the hazards of listening to demos in the first place, I suppose. Another result of the ultra tight, largely anechoic production is that Wasp Star has a lot less going on in the high-frequency range than AV1 -- again, surely a conscious decision. AP's Fano guitar and its humbuckerish tones have supplanted DG's strat twang & chime; CM is working that Abby Road McCartney bass sound for all it's worth (need I say that CM remains my favorite bassist of all time???). Everything they've done here, timbreally, has been brilliantly, perhaps ruthlessly programmed to craft a unique sonic brand for the album. The energy and drive of AVII is a delight -- those of you who've been craving electric guitars, gangway, you've bloody well benjamin-gott 'em. Try playing Todd's sounds of the studio with this disc, and keep track of the guitar layering on each cut. Also, did I mention that CM is my favorite bassist of all time? His playing propels "Stupidly Happy" into a tie with Harry Nilsson's "Jump Into the Fire" for best one-chord song, period. Other high points for me include "You and the Clouds Will Still be Beautiful," "Church of Women," and "Maypole" -- each of which I greatly disliked in their demo versions. (If only I could learn to like the final cut of Greenman as much as I like the demo version.) I particularly like the cheesy pawn shop sound of that nylon-string guitar on COW- Jeepers, this is going on far longer than I intended. To sum up: I love these songs, I believe them to be giddily contagious. Did Andy cut it as sole guitarist? Yes. (Do I miss Dave Gregory? Yes.) Wasp Star has a lyrical sting, it's got hits, and it's got a seriously cool mojo. I couldn't say this about AVI (much as I admired it), but I predict honest-to-goodness airplay this go round. Don't let the disappointed tell you different, folks -- this disc is all light! Greg Marrs "Against the assault of laughter, nothing can stand."-- Mark Twain
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 21:51:32 -0500 From: Roger Carvey <carveys@earthlink.net> Subject: Was Part Napper... Message-ID: <38F687B5.A01F2E69@earthlink.net> In #6-77, Mr. Brantley composed: "wasp star napster was part napper, was not was her nazz nazz buzz sir pop star popster pop tart popper, top pops pap smear tip top rap ear zig zag sesac seagulls c-sec, sear suck sight see sin sound teen town be bim bop lop be him sock hop, e i e i high hope hip hop..." (snip zip hip) Mr. Brantley, Please be warned that a reliable source (and subscriber to this list!) has made it known to me that Mr. Andy Partridge is seriously considering the use of your lyrics for "The Lure Of Salvage, Vol. 2", but only if Terry drums on the track. Dreadfully sorry, so close... I did laugh out loud, though. Thanks! Cheryl -- I would like to see our boys return (for at least one song) to the jangly, jumpy, neurotic pulse of "Science Friction," "This Is Pop," or "I'll Set Myself On Fire." The late seventies will rise again! Now everybody, get back to work! Sincerely, Roger Carvey carveys@earthlink.net
------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 06:52:00 -0500 From: "Christopher R. Coolidge" <cauldron@together.net> Subject: Napster ad nauseum Message-ID: <l03130301b51cb3fa7389@[208.13.202.104]> >Ramblin' man Chris Coolidge said about Napster: > >> If I try it out It'll be with some unsigned band nobody's ever heard of.< > >Um, yeah. I believe becki's already spoken to that issue quite >effectively. > >And Chris, what exactly was the point of your story about Bob Sherwood? Used to be in a band with Bob, that's all. Incidentally, I tried out Macster, the Mac version of Napster. I ended up downloading TMBG's "XTC vs. Adam Ant." I listened to it once and probably won't listen to it again. For some reason my MP# probram glitches when I do anything at my computer than sit idly there and listen; if I want to listen to music I'd rather put something on the CD player and crash on my couch with a good book, rather than sit there gawking at a computer screen. All but two of the MP3's I have I made myself from my own songs, and when I have time I was planning on uploading them somewhere. Otherwise the MP3 format is too much work. Whoever spends time cruising Napster and downloading MP3's must have a lot of time on their hands and must be independently wealthy. Myself, I have to work and earn a living. I'd rather spend my extra time conversing with you folks than downloading MP3's. So my previous musings on the point are moot; Becki doesn't need to worry; I'd rather buy her album than spend an hour downloading, converting and playing only to take up limited space on my hard drive and not be able to do anything while it's playing without it glitching whenever I use the mouse or return key. Christopher R. Coolidge Homepage at http://homepages.together.net/~cauldron/homepage.html "A Great law protects me from the government. The Bill of rights has 10 GREAT laws. A Good law protects me from you. Laws against murder, theft, assault and the like are good laws. A Poor law attempts to protect me from myself." - Unknown
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 23:02:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Molly Fanton <mfanton99@yahoo.com> Subject: Me Stupid :P Message-ID: <20000414060214.20015.qmail@web1303.mail.yahoo.com> You know how much I was bitching and moaning about Napster, well, I was cleaning up my computer's hard drive, and I noticed I had downloaded Napster. I forgot I did after watching a story about it on TV a while back. I was a curious soul, so I tried it. I forgot it messed up my poor ole computer, because it zapped a lot of memory from it. So I'm such a hypocrite for bitching about something *i* tried not that long ago. *slaps head* Oh I wish May 23 would come faster. I'm DYING to hear Wasp Star. *falls on the floor* Molly ===== Molly's Pages http://www.angelfire.com/mn/mollyfa99/index.html
------------------------------ Date: 14 Apr 00 05:46:26 PDT From: Brian Wysolmierski <bwysol@netscape.net> Subject: Spoilers. Scroll down if you must.... Message-ID: <20000414124626.11493.qmail@ww183.netaddress.usa.net> SPOILERS\/\/\/\/\/\/ Something I just noticed in Im the Man who Murdered Love: The lyrics changed from, "What do you think of that?" to "What do you think TO that?" ...Not a big deal, just kind of interesting. After listening to Wasp Star for a few days, I have to say, I think that all of the songs improve from the demo version except for My Brown Guitar. For me, it sounds clumsy and surreal, and not catchy like it once was. I'm disapointed with that one. A question to those who haven't heard the demos: What did you think of My Brown Guitar?--I'm wondering if it may be a good song, but my mind can't deviate from the demo version.
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 23:19:30 -0700 From: "Digitalmaster" <digitalmaster@earthlink.net> Subject: Better listen to your radio... Message-ID: <001701bfa5d9$7a0e3160$0200a8c0@digitalpc> I feel like I am part of some moral majority that is waiting for Christ's return. God (only capitalized because its the first word in this sentence!) I can't believe after all this waiting people are giving in to their earthly desires and downloading Wasp Star. I have had Napster on my system for months now but refuse to even use it now (besides, it crashes so much anyway!) Really, I only used Napster to download one album. Its the "Forbidden Album" from "The Clash" entitled "Cut The Crap." I refused to buy it which is why I downloaded it. In fact, the group does not recognize that as an album because Mick was not on guitar, which of course was the worst decision a band could make. The album was complete shit. For me, it was like listening to Def Leopard trying to do Punk or something. I don't know, it was just a really bad album. Comes close to being as bad as "Boy's Don't Cry." Ok, I admit it! I am changing the subject because I want to hear the damn album so bad. I wish I could at least hear 1 song from it. That would hold me over for the month long wait. What am I to do?! On one side, I just want to wait so I will enjoy it more. But on the other side, I can't hold it in (hey, this is starting to sound dirty!) I am going to start calling the local radio station to play the song. A matter of fact, that is a damn good idea. That is another bad thing about MP3 if you think about it. If a lot of people can instantly hear a song from the new album (even the whole album) then they are less likely to call the local radio stations. We should all start calling in every local radio station (well, the ones that would possibly play XTC) and start requesting The Man Who Murdered Love. I never listen to the radio, but to hear that song for the first time, I would become an instant radio listener! Digitalmaster forever in limbo...
------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 5:32:41 -0600 From: "Dom" <talentlessprick@phil-collins.com> Subject: Domplicated Game Message-ID: <2566720004514103241381@phil-collins.com> >>Has anyone else caught on to Dom's fickle use of names. I don't know what you mean. >>Where does he get it? Wherever I can, but nowhere near often enough. Inflatable armbands and vaseline are probably the best short-term measure... Dom.
------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 11:30:03 EDT From: Hbsherwood@aol.com Subject: Smells Like Victory Message-ID: <75.30b8427.2628937b@aol.com> >From: "Jamie Lowe" <jamielowe@email.msn.com> >Subject: Something smells >Indeed, there is nothing like the genuine article, but do discs actually >have a smell? Does Black Sea smell like the English coast at low tide? >I for one haven't noticed any. One never likes to toot one's horn (one prefers instead to timidly tingle one's triangle), but oh well what the hell. There was a controversy at the time of the release of the Beatles' Anthology albums: Some loony-fringe macropsychotic posted to rec.music.beatles that the CDs smelled like celery. It looked like a job for...Empirical Man! http://x30.deja.com/[ST_rn=ps]/getdoc.xp?AN=147172372.1&search=thread&CONTEXT= 955651982.585826314&HIT_CONTEXT=955651829.583794709&HIT_NUM=46&hitnum=0 ------ >From: Paul Brantley <pebrantl@mailbox.syr.edu> >Subject: wapster octameter > >wasp star napster was part napper, was not was her nazz nazz buzz sir >pop star popster pop tart popper, top pops pap smear tip top rap ear Ladies and gentlemen: Dutch Schultz! Thank you very much, thank you... (The fuck's he talking about? http://www.bway.net/~abbot/gunshot.html) ------ >From: "Mike Vancha" <mvancha@dlcwest.com> >Subject: new XTC > >I'm wondering if anyone knows when the new XTC album is slated to come >out? THERE'S A NEW XTC ALBUM COMING OUT? ------ >From: "Jim Smart" <jismart@ksbe.edu> >Subject: The XTCs of easy guitar > >Digitalmaster wants some easy XTC songs for guitar. [snip] >I suspect that this is why some people think this album >doesn't sound like XTC. Andy usually likes to change keys a lot. He'll >often have the chorus in a different key, as on Merely a Man, >Supergirl, and Playground, to name but a few. Yes, I think you're very much onto something here. >But on the Man Who >Murdered he really stuck to the "rules". ...Even to the point of eschewing some really temptingly obvious cliches--e.g., goosing the excitement level by modulating upward for the last chorus, like some moronic Broadway show-stopper. Cheeeeeap trick, man. (Hypocrisy alert! Hypocrisy alert!....) If you want easy songs for guitar, you could do worse than Peter Pumpkinhead. Harrison "Though I don't see how" Sherwood
------------------------------ Date: 14 Apr 00 09:18:30 MDT From: weslong@usa.net Subject: Jeff Buckley Message-ID: <20000414151830.6981.qmail@www0q.netaddress.usa.net> Hillites: Reviewed the new Buckley, very good live recording. Interesting that it's actually a collection of live songs recorded in 7 different venues in the year between 2/95 & 96. The songs segue into each other flawlessly, you cannot find the point where the crowd cheering in (say)Australia merges into the one in (say)France. It has 5 previously unreleased tunes, the only two that I was familiar with: What Will You Say & Kanga Roo, are fantastic. The other three I'd never heard Jeff do, which was a treat. When Jeff goes from Leonard Cohen's "Hallelujah" into the Smiths "I Know It's Over" and back again: "Oh mother, I can feel the soil falling over my head," into Cohen's "well maybe there's a God above", it's pure magic. Fans of Buckley need to pick this one up when it hits the stores next month. (5/9/00). There's also going to be a video released on the same date of a live Buckley gig in Chicago, also available on DVD. Play nice my children, wesLONG
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