Chalkhills Digest Volume 7, Issue 5
Date: Thursday, 25 January 2001
Chalkhills Digest, Volume 7, Number 5
Thursday, 25 January 2001
Topics:
Fistfighting in a room
Fistfights and Children...Oddly Complete
The Problem With Music
Re: The Definitive XTC albums campaign
Miscellaneous ramblings
Re: Definitive XTC albums campaign
Pumpkinhead on Genius TV
Jill In Brazil and The Orchid Show
Remasters
Let my people go...
Bah
re: kozmo
Apple Venus meets Apples In Stereo...
White Music, Plus...
The Life and Times of Judge Roy Bean
TVT Records drops lawsuit against Napster
horses of many shades
Fw: Subject: Young Marble Giants / Louis Phililppe
Hanging there he looked a lot like you and an awful lot like me
My New Wasp Star Running Order
Parrots And Lemurs
Back again with the Toy Matinee
What I've decided, or "suddenly, at midnight"
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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 15:10:08 -0800
From: "Elena F. Sirignano" <nycelena@napanet.net>
Subject: Fistfighting in a room
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20010123151008.006cc1e4@pop.napanet.net>
To Answer the not so age old question of Adrian Ransome on 1/21/01: a fist
fight amonst XTC members would depend highly on which encarnation of the
band we are refering to. Overall it's my opinion if we took every member,
past, present or studio filler, stuck them in a room and locked the door,
I'd say Terry Chambers would come out the winner, due to his infamous
alchol induced anti-social, destructive behavier. Andy would find away out
of the room while no one else was looking
Goodbye and Thanks For All The Fish
Elena
------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 17:01:56 -0700 From: "Steve Johnson" <sjohnson@co.missoula.mt.us> Subject: Fistfights and Children...Oddly Complete Message-ID: <sa6db91d.095@mail.co.missoula.mt.us> Adrian asked the great philosphical/theological/historical (and other things ending with "al") question of our day: "If the members of XTC had a fistfight, who would win and why?" I don't know, but I hope Andy would lose. Sounds like about three albums worth of new material. ;-)
------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 19:20:50 -0800 From: "Jamie and Martin Monkman" <monkman@coastnet.com> Subject: The Problem With Music Message-ID: <003f01c085b4$a8085620$f0763cc7@new> In 'Hills #7-4, Mr. Kimball wrote, in part and in reply to Kate Burda: >>From: "Kate Burda" <burdakat@pilot.msu.edu> >>Subject: The REAL reasons XTC never made any money! > >PREFACE: Kate, have you read Fred Goodman's "Mansion On The Hill?" Also highly recommended is Steve Albini's "The Problem With Music" article. The article can be found in various places on the web, but here's one of the more colourful: http://www.arancidamoeba.com/mrr/problemwithmusic.html The best feature to my mind is the accounting table, showing who earns what money from a band's labours. And don't you believe for a minute the lie that the internet will somehow make all of this different--all of the internet "success" stories (Aimee Mann, for example) a) aren't getting rich, and b) had the benefit of corporate promotion in the past to raise their profile and build them an audience. Gee ain't it grand. Martin
------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 22:36:56 -0500 From: Groove Disques <info@groovedisques.com> Subject: Re: The Definitive XTC albums campaign Message-ID: <4.1.20010123222430.00988930@mail.digiweb.com> >English Settlement is too long to include any bonus tracks on a >single disc. But there are a lot of b-sides from this period as well >as some various live recordings. I suggest that a remastered English >Settlement become a 2-disc set... Count me in for a copy of the expanded English Settlement, but rather than all the B-sides listed, many of which I already own over two formats, I would LOVE to hear a set that focuses on all that went into what I believe should have been a turning point in pop music. In my opinion, English Settlement pointed toward a way that the rest of us - and the band itself - failed to follow through on. The combination of influences, dynamics, textures, production, lyrics are as distinctive as any breakthrough Beatles or Led Zeppelin albums, to use examples of two bands that specialized in sonically groundbreaking albums. I'm not an agressive collector of bootleg demos, but I'd love to hear how those songs went from demo form through early attempts at proper recordings to the final product. I can imagine the genesis of most songs by most bands I hear: musician picks up guitar or piano and starts bashing out a chord progression while humming a melody, lyrics ensue...In the case of English Settlement, the songs and arrangements are seamless. I can't tell where they started and how the band arranged them. Everything they'd done until that album lead up to it. I'll stop my yapping, but no matter how many fantastic songs XTC has produced since that album, the loss of that band and its unique ensemble style is missed dearly. Jim www.groovedisques.com
------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 21:52:57 -0800 From: "John Keel" <jbkxtc@ev1.net> Subject: Miscellaneous ramblings Message-ID: <002701c085c9$e7f1ad30$6f525d3f@xtc> Hi kids, So . . . Deb Brown almost seems to be challenging me to make good on my resolution to get the L.A. fans together. "Come ON, Keel! Let's get to it!!!" I can hear her saying all the way down here at the beach. Well, I'm still very interested in doing just that, but it may take me just a few more weeks before I have the time to focus on it. I'm preparing to move over to Hollyweird in the coming weeks - into a studio apartment with my girlfriend, no less - and the agony over what to pack, what to take and what to sell is just beginning. But, rest assured, your Deb-ness, that every effort will be made to make it happen. Hey, when is the next solstice? I believe a proper pagan ceremony would only add to the festivities! You know what else I was thinking, and I'm sure it has probably been suggested before and may already be in place in some form or fashion. What about a site on Chalkhills (sorry, John, like you don't have enough to do as it is) or elsewhere where we can all post photos of ourselves? Just an idea as a way for those of us who haven't had the good fortune to meet to get a look at each other. SPECIAL NOTE TO WES LONG: Dude, send me your home address! When I had to erase my hard drive due to that damn virus I got, I lost it! I need to send you your "Wasp Star" vinyl, if you didn't get tired of waiting on me and got it somewhere else. Big XXX's & OOO's to Jayne and Kay across the pond and a public thanks to Squirrel Girl for the "Gilmore Girls" update, as I was late in posting about it. SG, I'll reply to your reply soon. Wow, sorry to ramble on so long. Oh, one last thing. I got this temp gig at Fox Sports which is mostly boring data entry except I get to listen to music all day long and have been running through the entire XTC catalog (Well, except "Mummer" and "Big Express", which I still have to take in small doses). I actually get paid to listen to XTC all day! Ain't life grand? JK
------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 02:23:57 -0500 From: Sylvan <psiogen@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: Definitive XTC albums campaign Message-ID: <3A6E830F.90172A1A@mindspring.com> Organization: psiogen@mindspring.com Responding to Derek's master plan... It would be nice to have all those weird rarites, but I don't think they shouldbe added unless they make the album better in some way. Songs that screw with the mood/whatever of the album should be tossed. And I don't think tracks should be tacked on the end of albums. Most of them have songs that were meant to be album closers (Funk Pop A Roll, Sacrificial Bonfire, Travels in Nihilon, Complicated Game, etc.). And I am shocked and disturbed, by the way, to hear that you think Thatnks For Christmas belongs on The Big Express. The albums they should modify from the existing CDs: -Black Sea: Cut out Somnambulist and and Smokeless Zone. -Mummer: Cut out Procession and Frost Circus. -Skylarking: Add Mermaid Smiled, keep Dear God between Dying and The Man Who Sailed... add Extrovert between Season's Cycle and Earn Enough. -Rag and Bone Buffet: Make into a 2 (maybe 3?) CD set to cover all the remaining out of print material, such as the dub sessions stuff and the Homo Safari tracks, plus the cut bonus tracks. -Apple Venus 2 CD Set: Obviously Virgin won't be doing this, but it would be cool if AV and WS were re-released as a double album the way it was originally intended. -- Sylvan Three lefts make a right.
------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 18:40:00 +0900 From: "John Boudreau" <aso1@mocha.ocn.ne.jp> Subject: Pumpkinhead on Genius TV Message-ID: <000101c0860f$6ff78de0$645791d2@johnboud> Konnichwa , Syncronicity strikes ... I was reading the latest Chalkhills , when my daughter got home from school and flipped on the TV to a Japanese kids' program called " Tensai TV " ( " Tensai " is " genius " in English ) . Anyway , these starkids of the show were walking down the street in a small town looking for the house of a kid to whom they had sent autographed pictures , with a cover version of " Peter Pumpkinhead " providing backround music ! It was a great cover that fooled Mika . Somebody at NHK must have dug the song enough to use it on the show ; I'm just wondering who the cover was by ? Sushiman
------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 09:03:35 -0500 From: np80@columbia.edu Subject: Jill In Brazil and The Orchid Show Message-ID: <3A6D48E7.30269.53D81CF@localhost> Hi, We are writing to let you know that we will be doing The Orchid Show again in February for nine shows through February at The Flea Theater in NYC. The following is the press release. For this special project we will do 5 songs from our Apple Venus suite, the Orchid Show and the new sister episode, Jill In Brazil. Best Jason Marchant The Neta Dance Company [ more details at http://chalkhills.org/product/OrchidShow.html ]
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 11:06:54 +1100 From: "Culnane, Paul" <Paul.Culnane@DCITA.GOV.AU> Subject: Remasters Message-ID: <17E19E6D5085D41196240000E896881D146C41@g5dccbr0ms01.dcita.gov.au> Derek Miner's suggestions about how best to compile the remastered back-catalogue was interesting, and for the most part plausible. But what about "Nonsuch" and the Dukes? ~~p@ul
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 08:31:21 -0500 From: MinerWerks <dminer@gte.net> Subject: Let my people go... Message-ID: <a05001900b695da11c59b@[63.11.105.165]> I know I'm off topic again here, but just in case anyone was wondering about the immediate impact of that AOL Time-Warner merger... This rundown has been called a "bloodbath" and inspired the headline "You've Got Screwed"... For those keeping score at home, here is the breakdown: America Online: minus 725. To give the appearances of not playing favorites, AOL's cuts will include 300 at its former headquarters in Dulles, Virginia. The publishing division of Time Inc.: minus 400. Cuts in the direct-marketing division, in editorial at Time-Life books in Alexandria, Virginia, and at the subscription center in Birmingham, Alabama. No editorial jobs have yet been lost at magazines like Time, People, Entertainment Weekly and Sports Illustrated. Warner Music Group: minus 600. Attrition and early retirement will remove jobs in manufacturing and distribution. Long-term senior executives may go. Reprise Records, whose acts include Barenaked Ladies, may be folded under Warner Bros. Records. New Line Cinema/Fine Line Features: minus 120. Production President Michael De Luca is already gone. Senior Executive Vice President Richard Saperstein just got the ax. More will follow. Intenet portal Entertaindom.com: minus 100. The site will soon close, folded into Warner Bros.' overall Internet operations. AOL Time Warner Corporation: minus 100. New York Rockerfeller Center workers, particularly those in information-technology, gone. But the stock is up 50 percent! = Derek =
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 12:41:09 +0100 From: a.de.koning@bp.vnu.com Subject: Bah Message-ID: <OF7FA1BD15.EAD6A8FE-ONC12569DF.00387205@bpa.vnu.com> Hi All, All this positive talk about Andy co-writing with Robert Schneider of the Apples in Stereo made me think what Andy has said about collaborations in the past: it made him some money during the Virgin-strike-years. He would work with anyone that would have him. Of course: it may be just two people getting together to see if they can write some stuff together but it could also mean that Andy has serious cashflow problems (WS not selling as much as hoped, anyone?). I hope it's just me. On to more positive thinking: Derek made a great list of what would be nice to see in the Virgin box-set. I have a few comments: - can 'Heaven Is Paved With Broken Glass' please be the Ball&Chain 12" version, not the version as on R&BB? - I seem to miss the 'Take Away / The Lure of Salvage' tracks. You have found a place for Go+ on Go2 and 'Take Away' should be on D&W but obviously won't fit. Maybe another double-disk would do? This way the need for 'Explode Together' is gone and the 2nd ES disk could concentrate on the later stuff. - O&L could do with a version of 'Blue Beret'. - Nonsuch can also be a 2-disk set, with all the demo's that popped up on various singles (and I noticed it was not in your list). This still leaves the 'fan club' tapes and all unreleased demo's. If Virgin still claims those, we need more 2-disk sets, but I really hope they can be used for Fuzzy Warbles (if that ever sees the light of day). Andre de Koning PS: If you want my opinion on Homegrown and AV1-Instrumental ever being released: I regard them as rumours (so, prove me wrong).
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 05:39:17 -0500
From: "Danny Phipps" <phipps@schoollink.net>
Subject: re: kozmo
Message-ID: <web-5896632@schoollink.net>
hello, all...
i know that this subject is way off the beam when it
comes to each individual mailing list and all, but i
just wanted to share a thought with you --
our oldest cat kozmo was put to sleep yesterday afternoon
around 5:00 after suffering from (chronic) kidney failure.
the sad part of this situation, let alone now dealing
with this big empty void in our lives, is the fact that
we were both unaware of his condition until just 5 days
ago. so needless to say, my wife and i are both stunned
and shocked by what has taken place re: this amazing
13-year-old animal.
he was special and he will be missed...plain and simple.
thanks for the eyetime --
/dan
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"All of the answers you seek can be
found in the dreams that you dream..."
-- Dan Fogelberg
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------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 06:18:31 -0800 (PST) From: Ira Lieman <ilieman@yahoo.com> Subject: Apple Venus meets Apples In Stereo... Message-ID: <20010125141831.18144.qmail@web214.mail.yahoo.com> From Rolling Stone Online: http://rock.yahoo.com/rock/music_news/rolling_stone/story.html?s=n/rolling_stone/rock/news/20010125/20010125006 I guess any mention is a good mention, nowadays. Non-XTC content: Napster is REALLY COOL. -ira
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 11:36:19 -0400 From: Andrew Boyle <uscolor@uscolor.com> Subject: White Music, Plus... Message-ID: <v04210101b695f1778b37@[192.168.0.3]> Hello all, For anyone searching for White Music before the remasters arrive: I headed over to our latest Barnes & Noble super/mega/multi-store to cash in some gift certificates and decided to look into the latest CDs and what not. Sitting in plain view were White Music AND Go 2, both for 13 bucks. This even though White Music is not on their web site inventory. Maybe you will get lucky. Or wait. On another note, I was trying to get the 8 month old back to sleep in the wee hours and stumbled onto HBO and Eddie Izzard doing his stand-up. How he got to sleep bouncing up and down while I giggled is beyond me. XTC connection? During a good bit on space exploration he portrays British space hopefuls climbing a verrrrry long ladder and calling down, "Come in Swindon!" It was a good show. ___________________________ Speaking of space travel, do you good folk overseas even pay attention to Shuttle launches or missions? Since I am right here I can't avoid them. Just curious about things outside of my box. _______________________ I hope everyone is ready to watch and see if the Russians can get the Mir down next month. Again, could just be my box. _______________________ Now don't you kids get crazy on me, but: Favorite sign at the inauguration: "Hail to the Thief" __________________________ Next shuttle launch: No sooner than Feb. 6. Andrew Boyle Orlando, FL
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 09:21:56 -0800 (PST) From: Jon Rosenberger <wile1coyote@yahoo.com> Subject: The Life and Times of Judge Roy Bean Message-ID: <20010125172156.18397.qmail@web123.yahoomail.com> Allo Folks and welcome back from Ollyday! Chalk #7-4 Derek Miner posted about the things he would like to see in the new reissues. Derek I totally agree with you. That would be great, as long as they tack em on the end this time. ;) But it will never happen. Many of those tunes have never been remastered and I doubt Virgin would spend the money to do so and then just toss em on as freebies. You might get one extra track per cd as a bonus incentive towards buying it. The other reason is because it would cut in to the material for the Virgin Box set. Also Virgin cannot release BBC tracks since they have been leased by Idea records and I doubt AP and CM are going to give their old friends the luxury of doing so. Also I doubt AP has any sway over what will and will not be included on the reissues. They were consulted on the box set because they are contractually required to be (including Dave I believe). I doubt they would be there for any other reason. You also left out Nonsuch and it's bonuses. I would REALLY like to see the b-sides to the singles tacked on there so that more people could appreciate Bungalow in demo form as it "wasn't" released on the Wrapped In Grey Single. Great song and the demo just helped me to appreciate it more. Also your concerns about Rhino are unfounded, Regardless of the music that Rhino chooses to release they have only one thing that they need to prove to AOL. They need to be profitable. The need to make an increasing level of profit on an annual basis and they need to do so have an increasing market share. No holding company will ever cut off a money making arm. They may sell em, or fold em in somewhere else or something, but they won't cut em. And you can say MANY things about AOL, but you can't accuse them of being stupid in the realm of business. These guys are SHARP. Maybe what Warnsers needs is a good shakeup anyway. They aren't exactly pumping out great stuff on their label. Who knows AOL may bring em some new blood. Yeah I doubt it too. ;) XTC Fight.....My money is on Barry! Loved your post though Laura, great imagery. Ah yes and Mr Kimball's post. First of all I agree with all of your enviornmental views and honestly it scares the _)@#*$)@#$ bejesus out of me that we now have an oilman for a president AGAIN. I was very pleased that Prz Clinton set aside those lands as Federal Monuments before he left office and I am going to be very PO'd if that wet behind the ears Dubya, stops those orders so his money grubbing friends can go drill holes in the artic. This guy is the very epitome of shortsighted. Dunks two points on your "the record industry is evil" section... One- the Beatles renegotiated a far better deal than 2% royalties long before Elton John ever earned a dime from his music. And Elton and Stevie were both REnegotiations in the seventies. They both started out making crap too. You have to remember Stevie had a lot of hits in the Sixties here in Motown. An amazing child, who has become an even more amazing artist as a mature adult. Any act that really "makes it" renegotiates long before their contracts are up. However I agree with you that there is a WHOLE lot of screwing over being done and in most cases it is not being done by the artists. I have read a ton of rock-bios and many of them have the same themes that Dunks was relating. The worst one I have read was by Noel Redding bassist for the Jimi Hendrix Experience. Contributed to some of the greatest albums ever. He has nothing to show for it. He had to go to court to try to get paid. He won the case, but they still couldn't find the money. The manager mysteriously "dies" and there is like 22 Million missing and no one knows where? Yeah right I misplaced 22 Mil just last week. Great book, check it out. One other correction Dunks, XTC did in fact renegotiate their deal with Virgin. Unfortunatly at the time they were in a court battle with THE BASTARD Ian Reid. Virgin wasn't paying any royalties to anyone awaiting the outcome and XTC had no incoming cash. Virgin said "well sure we will give you a loan to cover you but, here why don't you just sign this new contract while your here" They felt they had no choice at the time. And eventually they went on strike to get out of that deal. So here is some good advice to any new musicians out there who are thinking of going pro. This is what I have learned from twenty years of reading rock horror stories. 1. Never sign a long term deal as your first contract. 3 Years will be plenty to see if you can make it. By then you will be in a better position to negotiate. 2. Do not take an advance from the Record company if you can help it. This is NOT free money. It is your money, but they are going to charge you interest to use it. If you absolutly have to take an advance to make the album make it as small as possible. Do not buy yourself a new house, car, guitar and mounds of peruvian marching powder. For these reasons...your never gonna be home in the next three years anyway, you will be too "out of it" to be driving, it will get stolen or broken, your music will turn to dada and your friends will all get loaded on your dime. Also (although it is difficult to do) try to retain control of the master tapes. You paid for them after all, you should own them. Generally you don't though. If you can get them, don't store them at a friends place. 3.Hire an accountant that reports solely to you. Individually, not as a band. Have the guy audit the books at least twice a year. Less people will try to take your cash if they think you are watching. When you get really big hire an accountant to audit your accountant. I'm not kidding. 4. Songwriting royalties are what makes the coin. Period. everything else is chicken feed. If you want the big coin, write the bleedin songs. Conversely if you are writing the bleedin songs and you what to keep your bandmates happy. Cut em a slice. Two of the biggest groups ever do exactly that. Van Halen cuts everything equally. Someone mentioned Beautiful South earlier as well (The Liars Bar, bio was great), the other really amazing one is the Police. Sting didn't cut it equally but he took half and gave Stewart and Andy 1/4 each. So they still hated his guts but it wasn't due to the money. XTC did not adopt this model by the way. Someone recently asked how songwriting royalties were split and my understanding is that the songwriter ie: AP or CM keeps all of his revenue. Plz correct me if I am in error, anyone? My understanding is that his is why Dave and to a lesser degree Colin had to get side jobs while on strike in order to be able to support themselves. Makes me sad to think of the KING of Fuzzy Guitar repo'ing cars to make the mortgage. But I digress..The Police\Sting are probably one of the most successfully run business's in entertainment. They had a ruthless manager that didn't cheat them, and they didn't take big advances. The manager was also very inventive with the merchandising and supplied a ton of items to the collectors. If you need a guy to model your rock and roll business after, Sting is definitely your guy. 5. They call it the music business for a reason. It is a business, either you need to have the skills to run an operation with anywhere from 5 to 30 employees, or you need to hire someone who can. And you need to pay them enough so that they don't take your money and run. Personal loyalty is hard to expect when you are making a $1 mill plus per year and your manager is getting $100,000. And he is handling the business side of it. A really good trusted manager should be an equal partner in my estimation. And I am not talking about somebody that books you gigs. I am talking about someone who does all of your contract negotiations, totally deals with the paperwork. Pays off your drunk driving arrests, expedites your divorces etc... hushes up that "incident " at the curry house in San Fran etc.. Of course you won't be like that ;) >From what I have seen there are really two ways for a manager to get paid, either you pay him well and he respects and looks after your interests which is what you want or he get's shafted by you in his paycheck and he just decides to reroute your cash into his own account. He may try to reroute your cash into his own account anyway, see item 3! 6. PAY YOUR TAXES. The MAN has ways of punishing you if you don't. His favorite is something called fines and interest. As a general rule in all business dealings you should always avoid the words and implied actions of "fines" "penalties" and "interest" they are all really just code words for "we are taking you hard earned dough"! 7. Eventually you will have to invest cash in something to keep it from the MAN. Genaral rules are a.) If it is hard for the MAN to find it, it will be hard for you to find it too. Just ask Noel Redding. b.) If an investment sounds foolproof it isn't, they are just hiding the fact that YOU are the fool. Keep it simple and in the long run you will still know where your cash is. 8. Being a pro musician is a job, it requires work. When it is time to work, work. When it is time to play and relax then feel free to do whatever (but harm none). Don't ever confuse the two and you will always be ok in the end. XTC content: I was listening to Skylarking last night - The Canadian cd version that leaves Mermaid Smiled in and adds Dear God at the end. I really like the way Sacrifial bonfire flows into Dear God. It kind of renews the cycle. I picture the whole life from childhood to maturity then death and then protagonists child asks God why? And gets angry due to the loss of his father. He disavows God due to his own loss. So I wondered if anyone knew where Todd Rundgren originally planned to place Dear God when he planned out the album before XTC came over to the states to record it. In Chalkhills Children, Twomey relates that Todd had the whole thing planned and they started recording the songs "in the order that Todd, had laid them out" Anyone know what the original order was? Recently played - Rush 2112 Now Playing: Zep 3--- Gallows Pole Cheers all, Mole
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 11:04:13 -0800 (PST) From: Jon Rosenberger <wile1coyote@yahoo.com> Subject: TVT Records drops lawsuit against Napster Message-ID: <20010125190413.21495.qmail@web112.yahoomail.com> Here is some interesting XTC releated info... http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010125/en/music-napster_1.html Hope it is still hear by the time you read it. Mole
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 19:05:46 +0800 From: The Worrier Queen <myrone@tesco.net> Subject: horses of many shades Message-ID: <3A70088A.5770A5B0@tesco.net> About the horses Look geography was never my strong point - I thought Wolverhampton was somewhere near Southampton for years. Can I plead missing brain cells? One too many liquid down the nose incident? But aren't all white horses, what ever their age or location, part of the same idea? So be nice to white horses where ever you may find them. An idle thought - does anyone know a song where lemurs get a mention? Or is Wrapped in Grey unique? So which way do I go to get to Northampton?
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 20:05:39 -0000
From: "John Bartlett" <john@bartlett132.screaming.net>
Subject: Fw: Subject: Young Marble Giants / Louis Phililppe
Message-ID: <002501c0870a$31ce4bc0$bc9e403e@bartlett132>
Hello all,
this was posted on the Audities list, and I thought it may be of
interest to Chalkers......
> > Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 07:48:19 +0100
> > From: "Robert Pally" <robert.pally@bluewin.ch>
> >
> > Talking about Young Marble Giants, Louis Philippe told me that he is going
> > to put out a album with Stuart Moxham. Louis said furthermore that this
> > album will have some of the best songs Sturt has written since "Searching
> > for Mr. Wright".
> > BTW: Check also Louis Philippes album "Azure" out, that has the XTC song I
> > can't own her" on it. Here is what he said about this song:
> >
> > Andy had actually promised me the song (which I adored - marvellous
> > imagery, and genuine tenderness, a rare combination in an XTC song)
> > after I'd heard it on one of his demos. He said he would not do it,
> > thanked me for rescuing it, then the bugger decided to record it on
> > "Apple Venus" after I'd done my own version! GRRR!
> >
> > He recorded the album with the Philharmonic Orchestra of Prague.
> > "Azure" is a bit similar to "Apple Venus" but more mellon collie.
Cheers,
John B.
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 12:42:51 -0800 From: "Miller, Ed" <Ed.Miller@icn.siemens.com> Subject: Hanging there he looked a lot like you and an awful lot like me Message-ID: <B85CC0B15FDCDB469FC0F039B4FDD98F11AF62@stca205a> Hi Chalkhillers, "It's been a long time Now I'm Coming back home." Greetings to my old friends Peter F, Richard P-A, Harrison, JDSMX, Mike V, Ira and whoever is still out there. Hello to everyone else too. Drop me a line if you get a chance. I think I'll lurk for a while. Ed Miller
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 15:48:44 EST From: WillJ4comm@aol.com Subject: My New Wasp Star Running Order Message-ID: <42.fdf22b3.27a1eb2c@aol.com> Hi all, many or most may not know or remember me, as I haven't posted in a long time. Glad to be back! And now, to my message, as I am leaving for an appointment in a moment. Ever since a few weeks Wasp Star came out, I have been convinced that the reason I didn't consider it a very strong XTC release is because of the running order of the songs, as I thought the material was for the most part very good, if not great. I felt the same way about AV1, another collection of great material that I thought suffered from its song sequence -- some of you may remember my posts about finding the sequence on that one that re-introduced me to the disc. Well, I'm happy to report (for myself at least), after un-countable combinations and experimentations, I've found an order for Wasp Star that makes me love the album. I'd actually stopped trying from frustration, and didn't listen to any XTC for about 3 months. Then about two weeks ago, I started putting them back into the rotation, and for some reason got an early hankering for Wasp Star. I guess the time away did me right, because now a few days later, I've arrived at my "Wasp Star As It Was Meant To Be." So without further ado, and because I really must be leaving, here you go, my version of Wasp Star Proper. Program this into your CD player and see how it flows, musically, energetically, thematically, all of it, this now works for me and makes AV2 a great instead of merely a good album: 1, 12, 8, 7, 9, 4, 6, 5, 11, 3, 2, 10 And there you have it, 9 months (on and off) of brainsplitting work in one line of email text. Interested in any feedback, good to be back. Best, Will
------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 00:12:44 -0000 From: "Rory Wilsher" <rory.wilsher@lineone.net> Subject: Parrots And Lemurs Message-ID: <004001c0872c$c8a8f280$3c377bd5@oemcomputer> Awaken you lurkers I've been away for a while, but still keeping up with the news in lurk mode. Anyone miss me? Thought not. If you recognise me already, press page down now! Well, it's a bit late for this now, but I've only just got my new computer after a long period without one, so here's my "best of" for 2000, in no particular order: Wasp Star (Duh!) Love This City - The Whitlams. Buy this album. Pop Trash - Duran Duran. Surprisingly good, dare I say quite "Beatles-ish". Now who does that remind me of...? The Real Thing - Midnight Oil. "Contractual obligation" album, but with loads of acoustic/"unplugged" versions of well-known songs (in Australia, anyway). Kid A - Radiohead. 'Nuff said. Now down to serious business: there's a move afoot to organise a UK Chalkhills get-together. I'm reliably informed that the entire South London Chapter are up for this (current membership: 2), but have seen little response from other areas. We know you're out there! So come on chaps and chapesses, de-lurk for a moment, and don't let these LA guys upstage us by gathering more Hillsters in one place than us! On the "Fight Night" front, I'm gonna have to back Andy "The Low-Flying Game Bird" Partridge over Colin "The Curtain". It's simple. The Moulding haircut simply does not work for boxing. He's not called "Red Curtain" for nothing. Enough ramblings for now. I'd just like to thank Mr. Tube for the continued availability of XTsCheme, the downloading of which was one of my primary objectives and has now been achieved. If you haven't done this already, I suggest you do so. Now back to your irregular programming. Rory "Hide The Frosties" Wilsher
------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 00:17:40 EST From: WTDK@aol.com Subject: Back again with the Toy Matinee Message-ID: <df.f864622.27a26274@aol.com> For fans of Kevin Gilbert--the Toy Matinee CD is going to be re-released by Patrick Leonard on his custom label in early Feb. The remaster will include a lot of demos for the session with Kevin. FYI
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 21:21:48 -0800 (PST) From: nross <PhoenixYellowRose@rocketmail.com> Subject: What I've decided, or "suddenly, at midnight" Message-ID: <20010126052148.7657.qmail@web2901.mail.yahoo.com> Well... okay its only 11:43. I've decided that Andy Partridge is, without a doubt, a beautiful man. Esthetically speaking, his face is very pleasant. None of that matters. I think a lot of people are beautiful. I think Drew Carey, while not beautiful, is damn cute. It is nearing midnight, and I've spent the day doing data analysis and complaining about being a lowly graduate student... so perhaps my mind is not all it should be at the moment. I just felt like pondering on his face, Andy's face, that is. Why should I focus upon a man's face... a man I know nothing about... who has little to do with me, aside from making music I like? I must answer: Escape. Escape from my data, escape from my normal existence. Why Andy? He represents an ideal: someone who actually is doing what most people only dream of doing. Once, I dreamt of being a graduate student. I wonder, if I were a musician, would I be idealizing those crazy ass-ed students that went for a piece of paper? Ha, probably not, I say! I say, no. No. But, the grass... yes, it is always greener, right. Cliches, gotta love 'em. Grass. Anyways, I was not merely wasting time thinking of his face. I was listening to Oranges and Lemons, arguing against the song "President Kill Again". Ugh, I dislike that song. So, of course... if you are arguing w/ someone who isn't there... you must imagine he is there? Right? Okay... so while counting cells I'm imagining Andy is in front of me... and I'm telling him to shut up and stop being so fucking idealistic about politics, eh? No... I'm lying. I was merely counting cells. Occasionally I thought, "ah, shaddap", never imagining he was there... and never arguing. Its just... its just, a damn idiotic song. President Kill again... democracy, uh... NO. For one thing... war is occasionally necessary to bring about peace. Tell me what other outcome there was to the nonsense occurring in Germany during WW2? All that murder of innocent people by madmen and by others who were frustrated at their circumstance and feeling the need to vent - and blame others. In that particular case, reason and peaceful demonstration would not work. So, okay... he's not talking about that. But, even a moderate situation sometimes calls for a little force. Mostly, though, I don't think people (at least in the US) run for President with malicious intent, or even with views that are extreme. My husband loves to bite me down when I rant against certain parties in the US... he feels there is little difference between democrats and republicans when comparing those parties to those in England. So, whats the deal in getting hyped up about it... nothing substantial will change. So... that leaves us with: No extreme person will ever be elected president and no big issues will ever be decidedly moved to the right or left. I somewhat agree... but I'm still stuck on the "no one enters the race maliciously" theme. You can disagree with a candidate on the issues, but at least have respect for them risking their reputations and lives on those issues. Most of us just sit on our hands and complain about the government. So, Andy sings against certain themes, and I agree with the right to do so, and with most of the sentiment. However, to say "President Kill Again" suggests mal intent and extremism. This is why I go "ugh, shaddap". I think its funny... I once wrote on the digest, as a joke, that political talk on chalkhills should be avoided. It was an old argument, and one I disagreed with, so my statment was a joke, really. Someone then wrote me and told me that these issues are brought up by the band and therefore are relevant to the digest. Of course, since I was joking with my original statement, I quite agree with that point. So... at now, 12:07, I finish my statement. You can all tell me to go to hell... and I'll think it funny. I'm already there. Its called 7 years into grad school. I think someone is smoking some grass on the floor. Perhaps, this is effecting me. Hmmm. -I lied, 12:10 and the statement is ended. -Nicole ===== Nicole's internet music station: http://radio.sonicnet.com/mymusiclisten.asp?name=phoenixyellowrose
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