Chalkhills Digest Volume 8, Issue 16
Date: Sunday, 24 February 2002
Chalkhills Digest, Volume 8, Number 16
Sunday, 24 February 2002
Topics:
The Dukes Live In Baltimore
Re: Nobody Calls
His Fano Guitar
Pretty as Pink?
rock in "the wrong languages"
Rufus & Tributes & Homegrown
Re: household names
Re: Is Curiosity a sin?
Neil Finn / XTC covers
six dyslexic degrees of separation?
Rocking the Suburbs of Athena, Madrid, Paris, Roma, Berlin, etc...
Ella Te Ama, Si, Si, Si
drums and ... drums
"Capricornia"
the nines and jellyfish.
UK Chalkhills Shindig
The Right Honourable Whosis's Boxed Set
Another Testimonial Dinner
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---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 23:38:23 -0500 From: "john irvine" <jetsetsc@hotmail.com> Subject: The Dukes Live In Baltimore Message-ID: <F9wBBeF2MwCIRItKZGR0000dafe@hotmail.com> Hi All- Checking in after 'bout three years off to let yous know I'm in a Dukes tribute band. (If the Doors and Floyd deserve one...) We are playing for the second time in Baltimore Maryland, (a state about the size of England - Andy), on March 2nd at 9-ish at Fraziers on 36th Street in Hampden. We don't have a name and we don't dress up, but we've got the whole ep and half a Sunspot down. BYO blotter. See you there. John Irvine, (Jennifers)
------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 23:37:59 EST From: Telehead@aol.com Subject: Re: Nobody Calls Message-ID: <32.226eadce.29a330a7@aol.com> In a message dated 2/18/02 8:25:22 PM, Marie writes: >All this makes me ask a question: why Colin Moulding never managed to >do that sort of things? He is talented too, an amazing bass player, >seems to be a ''cool'' guy, and opened to contatcs with other >musicians. So what is his problem? Or is he not interested at all? Or >maybe nobody calls- What a shame! Ahhh Marie, Marie .... Mr. Moulding is all over Sam Phillips' "Martinis and Bikinis" CD. Her producer/husband T-Bone Burnette is a huge fan and invited him to Hell-A (EL-Lay that is) to play; if you've not heard Sam, go get any one of her CD's ... you'll thank me in the morning! Cheers from rainy Sacramento! Warren
------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 05:04:44 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Versaci <michael_versaci@yahoo.com> Subject: His Fano Guitar Message-ID: <20020219130444.40248.qmail@web12505.mail.yahoo.com> Folxtc, Wayne observed: >I've noticed quite a bit of complaints about AP's guitar playing on Wasp Star< I haven't really noticed many *complaints* - I think most of us judge Andy as a fantastic guitarist. His style is surprising and unique. He is technically adept (and oddly modest about his ability when speaking in interviews.) The point is, I miss Dave Gregory's influence on the music. His style is markedly different than Andy's. Dave's absence on "Wasp Star" does nothing to diminish Andy's guitar-playing. Indeed, Mr. Partridge plays some great stuff on "Wasp Star" - some might say that Andy played better on that record *because* Dave wasn't there to pick up the slack. The guitar-playing on "Wasp Star" is top-notch. What is missing is the different direction, the added dimension that Dave always brought to the songs. He *thinks* differently than Andy, but his thinking is complementary, and that is what I miss on "Wasp Star..." Michael Versaci
------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 07:58:21 -0600 From: "Steve Oleson" <Steve.Oleson@oag.state.tx.us> Subject: Pretty as Pink? Message-ID: <sc7205aa.048@oag_mail.oag.state.tx.us> Quoth Jackson: "if the boys from Swindon became household names with their own trading cards, cartoon show, muzak channel and infomercial, we would'nt think they were so cool. " Can you imagine Andy and Colin putting down their instruments and doing dance routines like N'Sync ad nauseum? Wearing midriff baring matching outfits? No, neither can I! hehehehe! SteveO in Austin
------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 15:49:20 +0100 From: "Mary" <humdrum2@libero.it> Subject: rock in "the wrong languages" Message-ID: <001501c1b954$c1b8f500$d39f1b97@mary> I agree with the person who cited Mano Negra, French is a good language for pop-rock. Have you ever listened to Les Negresses Vertes? Perhaps one of the absolutely most genial bands EVER, and I do mean ever. If you have not heard of them, try to get *Mlah*, *Zig Zague* or *Famille Nombreuse*, (They are a bit Poguesian, but much more musically talented than the blokes). Or the late, great Telefon. What about Les Rita Mitsouko?! I could go on, but won't. Then I would have to start the list of Italian groups, and Spanish ones, and Japanese ones, and Turkish ones (there are some amazing Turkish rock, pop groups, and I beg whomever to try to get some Sezen Aksu or Tarkan - do not disappoint). And the African continent?! Too much to list. Problem is exposure, I guess. If you don't have them on the radio, or MTV, they don't exist. At least, here in Italy, we occasionally hear things from over the Alps and below the Mediterranean. It is not "World Music", it is pop-rock music that is sung in another language, with another thought pattern. Marie Marie, don't know of this musician you cite. (and still can't make good on our bet, so, I guess a hand-drawn portrait of Andy should be on my list of things to do), although, I KNOW I read this someplace, and sooner or later, will find out! As far as finding out how to get the disc you mention, you'll have to go to ten feet, ask Paolo or get a hold of people who follow these things better than I do. Maybe Riccardo Bertoncelli (lurker?) knows. But you are right, I took your cue and did a "Andy, Partridge, singing, lessons" search on Google. Learned that Andy Williams gave singing lessons in an episode of "the Partridge Family" and laughed so hard, remembering my childhood and the crush I had on David Cassidy, that I could not sit straight! The search continues!
------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 11:05:39 EST From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Rufus & Tributes & Homegrown Message-ID: <15f.90e16b0.29a3d1d4@aol.com> <<Incidentally, the ultimate XTC tribute album for me (far superior to the Testimonial Dinner CD) would include the following artists-->> My nominations remain: Tom Waits, "Rook" (2 new Waits songs out today on the Big Bad Love soundtrack for any interested) Dave Matthews Band, "Yacht Dance" (easy to hear that one) As for Rufus, yes it was a 70's band fronted by Chaka Khan Chaka Khan, but the original writer was probably referring to Rufus Thomas who did in fact assume room temp. last year. Other XTC related stuff: Was listening this morning to the Homegrown version of "We're All Light", and it reminded me thematically of "No Language In Our Lungs" in terms of writing about love in a logical/technical manner as opposed to an emotional one. I wonder if Andy prefers this approach... Speaking of Homegrown, I had put off the purchase and was lucky enough to find a used copy in my local indie shop. Not good for the lads, but good for me, and certainly a worthwhile & necessary addition to the XTC collection. Bob NP: Green Day, "When I Come Around"
------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 11:30:02 -0500 From: Tony Picco <tpicco@iesna.org> Subject: Re: household names Message-ID: <B897E7B9.31BC%tpicco@iesna.org> >>From: Jackson <jydson@yahoo.com> >>Fellow Chalkonians, >>if the boys from Swindon became household names with their own >>trading cards, cartoon show, muzak channel and infomercial, we >>would'nt think they were so cool. Here's one selfish fan hoping they >>make enough to live in the style they desire but keep their esoteric >>purpose.<< This kind of stuff always bugs me... Why does commercial success cause some fans to abandon the music they love? What kind of elitist nonsense is that? Granted, much of commercial, successful music is less than great... but wouldn't you want to see the musicians you've loved and supported for years be financially free to create as they wish? tony picco
------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 09:00:43 -0800 (PST) From: John Relph <relph@mando.engr.sgi.com> Subject: Re: Is Curiosity a sin? Message-ID: <10202190900.ZM319929@mando.engr.sgi.com> On Feb 15, 18:25, art et affiche <art.affiche@wanadoo.fr> wrote: > > Thanks to Mister Relph, I was well >informed, but I've found recently that Andy is featured on the last >album of a girl called Jacqueline Kroft (living in the UK), along with >his friend Neville Farmer. Does anybody here know about this artist? >I couldn't find what was Partridge's contribution, production or >playing. More information can be had at "http://www.jacquelinekroft.com/", but what information is there does not answer Marie's questions above. Does anybody out there know any more? >And Mary Maria, if you read this, I've read in an italian interview >from 2000 that he has also worked with an italian jazz guitarit called >Roberto Zorzi. I visited Roberto's page at "http://www.niccosmo.com/zorzi/" and according to his discography there has been no concrete result of any purported collaboration between Andy and Roberto. >All this makes me ask a question: why Colin Moulding never managed to >do that sort of things? He's done one or two (Affaire Louis Trio, Sam Phillips). He was asked to tour with Pink Floyd a few years back, but turned it down so XTC could make a record. -- John
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Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 23:33:32 -0800
From: "Sughosh Varadarajan" <aqualung@hotpop.com>
Subject: Neil Finn / XTC covers
Message-ID: <000e01c1b9e0$ef687de0$4737c5cb@sughosh>
Wayne wrote:
>Incidentally, the ultimate XTC tribute album for me (far superior to the
>Testimonial Dinner CD) would include the following artists--
>Neil & Tim Finn - Science Friction
I noticed an mp3 of Neil Finn doing Making plans for Nigel on Morpheus...was
this on the Testimonial dinner album?
>Aaron Carter - Dying (My daughter's suggestion)
"I'm getting older too".. the song goes. Is Aaron, really? (or for that
matter, Backstreet Boys.. how do you tell?)
> Compare and
> contrast 20 years of Xtc's music with anything from the Stock, Aitken,
> Waterman back catalogue of the same time period to see what the Great
> British singles-buying public prefer. They prefer being whacked around the
> head with a simple lyric and simple melody at 125 bpm for three minutes.
>>Sadly, so do the Americans now. It's a pity that American radio has become
>>a sterile wasteland (at least for me). The (very) brief period when it was
>>interesting was squashed by the Corporate Radio Sound.
Hmm... yes, all that's fine.. but you'll admit both the US and the UK have
one very major plus on India at least... whether XTC are popular or not,
they're available!! Wish I could say the same for my own land...Indians make
so much great music , but then I have to go and like some obscure British
band, meaning that I spend the rest of my years locating their albums..
sigh!
Oh, and I wonder why people are so disappointed with "Love and theft". I'd
say the only way it could be disappointing would be if you were expecting
maybe "Blonde on blonde" or "Blood on the tracks". Rather unfair, that.
Cheers!
Sughosh.
Current fave XTC line:
"People will always be tempted to wipe their feet
on anything with 'Welcome' written on it."
- Andy Partridge
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Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 15:16:06 -0600
From: Brown <i.sundog@verizon.net>
Subject: six dyslexic degrees of separation?
Message-ID: <20020219211605.QZBQ5018.out005.verizon.net@cyclops>
I do hope that this gets out before the 24th.. And, yes, I'm *positive* it's
six anorexic degrees.. OK, listen closely cuz I'm NOT going to repeat
myself! First there's the Cardiacs, then there's Bill Drake, then the
Cardiacs mailing list, then there's me, then Capt. Relphie, and finally,
Chalkhills.. 1-2-3-5.. yeah, it adds up!<G> Anyroad, I thought some of you
dear Chalkfolk 'what were in the U-KAY' might be interested in this tidbit:
We have just been informed that Bill Drake will be giving another
splendid performance at the 12 Bar in Denmark Street, London, W1
on Sunday 24th February. He will be on stage at around 10pm.
WITH RESPECT
http://www.cardiacs.com
That's all for now, you lovely freaks and octoaquariums!
Killing yaks from 200 yards away, with or without the mind bullets,
Debora 'Fac ut gaudeam' Brown
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Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 00:03:42 +0100
From: "Emmanuel Marin" <Emmanuel.Marin@wanadoo.fr>
Subject: Rocking the Suburbs of Athena, Madrid, Paris, Roma, Berlin, etc...
Message-ID: <002801c1b999$ad9f07e0$b4fc80d9@em>
> <<<". I'm one of those weirdos who thinks that somehow rock music being
> sung in Greek or Spanish doesn't quite sound right, somehow. And I'm sorry
> but IMO the French CANNOT rock. Plastique Bertrand was about the nearest
> tey ever got (and anyway he was Belgian wasn't he?).>>>
[And furthermore that's not even him who's singing, they said. And when you
remember one of the Milli Vanilli was French, it makes you wonder :-)]
Seriously, about rock music sung in different languages, I recommend you
to check the following, in which the voice and words are much important
for the song (ie : "minimal" music around them) :
Greek : Try the band "Trypes" for "simple" rock sung in Greek, for instance
"Ta Kanonika Paida". No, I don't understand a word either. Short and
energic.
Spanish : "Mala vida" by the Mano Negra (they're French but it's sung
in Spanish) Spanish can carry a lot of rough energy too.
Other languages I can give examples of :
French : so many to name... Maybe "Argent trop cher" by Telephone
(early 80's) can sound well to a foreign ear. They toured successfully
in the UK, after all.
Italian : minimal music to judge if an Italian can "rock" in his
mother tongue ? don't miss "Svalutation" by Adriano Celentano ! I'll
even tolerate if you download it from one of these peer-to-peer sites,
since I'm sure it must be quite expensive to find it in the USA... (I
could have made the same comment for others. I'm one of those weirdo
who buy *more* CDs than before because of discoveries through MP3s...)
German : "the" German hit is "99 LuftBallon", but German sung by the
late Falco ("Der Kommissar") sounds better for a foreign ear, IMO.
Voila, voila... "Be-bop-a-lula, mais ou donc es-tu parti"...
Obligatory XTC content : I can't think of a single sentence sung in a
non-English language in the whole XTC lyrics, which has to be noticed
(I mean, the Beatles had "Michelle", at least :-) ).
------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 18:10:33 EST From: Hbsherwood@aol.com Subject: Ella Te Ama, Si, Si, Si Message-ID: <f6.16c36866.29a43569@aol.com> In a message dated 2/19/02 12:31:01 AM, the exquisitely named =?iso-8859-1?B?U2ViYXN0aeFuIEFk+nJpeg==?= (actually Sebastian from Buenos Aires) writes: >Although I tend to agree about French rock - exception made with Mano >Negra -, the Giovanotti's " afacciate a la finestra, amore mio" or " io >penso possitivo" are unbeatable, for example; I can't imagine them being >replaced by English lines like " get close to the window, my dear" or I" >think possitive" . I can't tell about rock sung in Spanish: there were >rock bands here singing in Spanish before I was born. I never found that >strange. Well, I think we're into one of those areas where it would be best to define our terms. If you want to define "rock" as music originating in the Southern US, based in the Blues Mode, and propagated by its earliest exponents Presley, Berry, Perkins, Lewis, et al., then you'd have to agree that the particular collection of rounded vowel sounds and elided consonants that make up the Southern US accent and speech patterns are a vital part of its musical identity. Mick Jagger (and countless pallid imitators) adopted that accent to sing rock for a very good reason. This kind of music sung in a language other than Southern US English usually sounds terribly forced--the vowels just aren't right, and you really need that staccato Iambic rhythm that English is so natural at. What other language gives you rhythms like these, from Chuck Berry's "You Can't Catch Me": New Jersey Turnpike in the wee wee hours I was rollin' slow because of drizzlin' showers Here come a flat-top, he was movin' up with me Then come wavin' goodbye a little old souped-up jitney I put my foot in my tank and I began to roll Moanin' siren, 'twas a state patrol So I let out my wings and then I blew my horn Bye bye New Jersey, I'd become airborne I remember a very funny rock-n-roll novelty record made in Finland in the early 70's called (I think I'm spelling it right) "Fliduna Skiduna," which set complete gibberish to a rockin' Chuck Berry chord progression. It was successful on its own terms mostly because the singer, despite singing complete nonsense, had the *accent* right, having learned to imitate the cracker vowel sounds that are so characteristic of rockabilly and roots rock. (I would love to do a cover version of this song. Wish I could find a copy. Any Finnish singles collectors online?) But if we spread our definition of "rock" to include a wider range of musics, language becomes less of a defining factor. A few issues ago I alerted the Assembled Multitudes to Nuggets II, a fantastic Rhino box set of mid-60s' psychedelia from Britain and around the world (a companion piece to the original Nuggets collection assembled by Lenny Kaye in the late 70s). Last night I discovered in this huge collection a piece from 1968 by a Brazilian freakbeat group called Os Mutantes. It reminded me of, I swear to God, a marriage of the Mothers of Invention with Big Audio Dynamite; it could very easily stand completely unremarked in a compilation of World Beat/Techno from this year. Astonishingly farsighted record, this. (Check 'em out at http://www.slipcue.com/music/brazil/mutantes.html) At any rate, this piece, while absolutely, defiantly Rock (recorded under the repressive thumb of General Costa's military dictatorship, thumbing its nose at the Clampdown's "traditionalist" cultural _diktat_, mingling Beatle-ish guitar climaxes with a wall-eyed loony samba chant) was also absolutely unmistakably Brazilian, and the chanted lyrics would have utterly lost their power if translated. Believe me, you don't need to understand these words to get the point. The Nuggets II collection also has examples of rock (in the post-Beatles sense) sung in English by Dutch, Spanish, German, Peruvian, Uruguayan, and Japanese singers, with varying degrees of success. I certainly understand the commercial impetus to sing in English, but can't help thinking that quite a lot of subtlety gets irretrievably lost when a very good emotive singer is forced to sign in a language not his own. On another note, many moons ago someone (was it Mark Strijbos?) posted a comment critical of the guitar break in "I'm the Man Who Murdered Love," saying that it was just basically dumb, and I responded that I believed it to be a musical joke, an elbow-in-the-ribs quote from some obscure 60s source. At that point I issued a challenge to the Assembled Multitudes to find what record that raga-style break was copped from. I believe I may have found the answer my own self. It's a track by The Smoke (not the English Smoke of "My Friend Jack Eats Sugarlumps," but a New Zealand band of the same name), a B-side done in 1966 called "No More Now." The guitar (a pretty snarlin' piece of pre-Hendrixian speaker-crackling oinkage) plays something nearly-but-not-quite-exactly like the Arab-ish modal thing Andy plays on "Murdered Love." Whether Andy was consciously imitating this very guitar break, or the two guitar breaks both imitate some third source is not for me to say. But the resemblance between the two is pretty damned close--not to mention funny. Harrison "Never mention funny" Sherwood PS: Word to the wise: The live version of "Meccanik Dancing" on the Coat of Many Cupboards box, Dave Gregory taking both guitar and keys parts. That 1979 band took NO F*CKING PRISONERS, man.
------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 13:17:06 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Smart <jimsmart1@yahoo.com> Subject: drums and ... drums Message-ID: <20020220211706.41654.qmail@web13505.mail.yahoo.com> "In addition, there are a bunch of other people who are known for their competence on a variety of other instruments but who have done solo albums where they played all the instruments, including drums." I'd like to add: Dave Davies, on his first solo album Ray Davies, on the video for Do It Again (not sure if he really plays them on any recording, though) Andy Partridge, on Pale and Precious and especially, Adrian Belew, who is a jamming drummer in addition to his many other talents Jim
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 14:02:08 -0500 From: Ben Gott <bgott@rectoryschool.org> Subject: "Capricornia" Message-ID: <B89AAE60.6086%bgott@rectoryschool.org> Gang, For all fans of jangly Australian political pop, Midnight Oil's new "Capricornia" finds them returning to form -- in a big way. It's awesome. Check it out. -Ben
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 21:57:22 +0000 From: "sarah lauer" <lauer_sarah@hotmail.com> Subject: the nines and jellyfish. Message-ID: <F2572q6DqaJY4kJSFsx00003de9@hotmail.com> I read on one of the previous digests that there was a band called the nines who had an album out that had a lot of XTC influences (album sounded like nonsuch etc)sorry can't remember your name. I then read a review in Amplifier mag that went on and on about this band, who I think are based out of England as well if I'm not mistaken. I ended up buying the album as well off cdbaby because of the "praise". Thanks for the info. I have to say that after hearing it myself I agree with the previous authors' comments. I would have to say though that it has more of the flavor of "Skylarking"/Paul Mccartney circa 1970's Badfinger feel. The lyrics are definitely NOT as sophisticated as Andy's but the music more than makes up for it. I guess what I mean is the content of the lyrics are abit lighter. Great (Macca type)songs Can't wait to buy the XTC BOX set!!! Anyone out there, who is a Jelly Fish fan, buy the new Jellyfish album. I'm thinking of buying it but want to know what people think. Sarah(L)
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 23:06:52 +0000 (GMT) From: oranges and-lemons <spagyric_2002@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: UK Chalkhills Shindig Message-ID: <20020221230652.37985.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> This year's UK Chalkhills Shindig will be happening on 18th-19th May or 25th-26th May (subject to confirmation) and will be taking in place in Oxford once again. There's going to be a lot happening including guest appearances from: Andy Partridge Colin Moulding Dave Gregory and special guest (all the way from Australia) Terry Chambers With live music from a re-formed XTC premiering new material written for their forthcoming 2004 album and world tour.* For more information or to book your place now get in touch with me: spagyric_2002@yahoo.co.uk *Guest appearances not guaranteed. Live performance may be subject to cancellation.
------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 14:35:41 -0600 From: "eriC draveS" <zoom98@mindspring.com> Subject: The Right Honourable Whosis's Boxed Set Message-ID: <001901c1bbe0$7feab080$46b7ea41@XLZOOM> > Another great putdown is the one from 18th century Parliament. Can't > remember the participants, but it went something like: > > One Lord: If the Honorable Whosis continues in this course, he will die of > the pox or on the gallows! > > Honorable Whosis: That, sir, depends on whether I embrace your principles > or your mistress! I believe the witty Honourable Whosis was Benjamin D'israeli. On another unrelated note (about XTC this time-- who'd've thunk?), their new compilation/boxed set couldn't be pre-ordered from CDNOW, which is annoying because I had a 10% discount coupon, so it looks like I have to pay full price when it comes out. I apologize for the attempted money-grubbing, but rest assured the Swindoners will not be swindled.
------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 00:29:03 From: "* Hobbes *" <hazchem25@hotmail.com> Subject: Another Testimonial Dinner Message-ID: <F1847OwggA8GMgfVXr700014d56@hotmail.com> In reply to Wayne's testimonial dinner tracklisting... how about imaging this tracklisting done in the artist's styles: Blur - The everyday story of smalltown Rufus Wainwright - Wrapped in grey Aimee Mann - Ladybird Cotton Mather - Towers of London Eels - Fly on the wall Death Cab for Cutie - Battery Brides Sugarplastic - Radios in motion Super furry animals - Senses working overtime The Pogues (with Kirsty MacColl) - The wheel and the maypole Grandaddy - Seagulls screaming, kiss her, kiss her The Auteurs - Dear God Michael Penn - Collideascope Wondermints - Are you receiving me? Fountains of Wayne - Playground Elliot Smith - 1000 Umbrellas Divine Comedy - Easter Theatre Jason Falkner - Then she appeared Neil Finn - Pale and precious Liz Phair - All of a sudden (it's too late) Kate Bush - Greenman Wishing i could get a copy, Hobbes --------- "Some have said that I cannot sing, but no-one will say that i didn't sing" - Florence Foster Jenkins (1868-1944) http://profiles.yahoo.com/hazchem25a
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