Chalkhills Digest Volume 5, Issue 207
Date: Friday, 14 May 1999
Chalkhills Digest, Volume 5, Number 207
Friday, 14 May 1999
Today's Topics:
The Big De-Lurk
What Dog Doo Tastes Like
Genesis
Andy in Rolling Stone
The Happy Valley Lion
Re:What Dog Doo Tastes Like
Is Andy P. in here?
Dave and Andy's Guitar Solos
"Fly Upon the Wall" by Blur?
Newell and other recommendations
my convoluted picks
Re: XTC Concert
a fantasy list
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---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Greg90@aol.com Message-ID: <e2130045.246c8a3a@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 16:04:10 EDT Subject: The Big De-Lurk Hello All, Although I've been on the list and enjoying the Digest since 12-12-95, this is my first post. Is that a record? Anyone been lurking longer than that? I have a lot of discussions to catch up on and one observation about a song lyric that no one has made yet....but first....about me: I am 35 years old, live in New Jersey, work for a large Theme Park company (not Disney), studied music at NYU, am married, and by this time next week will have one child - age 0. I've been an XTC fan since 1982, loved Skylarking and Nonsuch best when they were released, but now I lean towards English Settlement. I met Andy and Colin at Tower in NY in February, they were very nice. I didn't hear the AV demos before they were released, didn't really want to. Oh, and I don't use any of those smiley face things that are supposed to show that you are being euphemistic or something, and I don't use IMHO. It's pretty much all my opinion, I'll try to be humble, you can figure out the rest. There have been so many threads in the past 3 1/2 years they I have almost jumped in on, but just never felt that I had anything really different to say. In retrospect, here are a few I should have gotten in on: 1. Bungalow - Love it? Hate it? Worst XTC song ever? This thread goes way back. I happen to love the song. It's the one song I can not skip over on Nonsuch. At one time I was really into the Moody Blues. If you listen to their albums, especially the earlier ones, there were always a couple of songs on there written and sung by either Ray Thomas or Mike Pinder, somewhat different in style from the Justin Hayward / John Lodge songs everyone has heard. Bungalow always sounded to me like the best Ray Thomas/Mike Pinder song the Moodies never recorded. Listen to the vocals. 2. XTC should produce themselves? Andy should produce? No way. Listen to the two recent Martin Newell albums. Andy's production on Englishman just sounds so thin as compared to the Off White Album. It makes me wish that Louis Philippe had produced Englishman. Listen for yourself. 3. Dave, Dave, Dave Did anyone watch the Beatles Anthology on TV or video? They do about 20 minutes on Jimmy Nicol, the drummer that replaced Ringo for about ten days in 64 when Ringo was having his tonsils out. Ten days - twenty minutes. (maybe a bit less) The point is that Ringo still seemed all broken up over it 30 years later. Jimmy Nicol was the smallest of footnotes, but Ringo still seems hurt that they played a few shows without him. I don't think Ringo ever felt like he was a full member of the Beatles. He didn't write, he didn't sing (you know what I mean), he laid down his tracks and then played chess. He wasn't even the original drummer. He admittedly went through a period in 68 where he felt that the other guys didn't even want him around anymore............How could it be any different for Dave? Did Dave ever feel like a full member of XTC? In retrospect does he feel that Andy looked at him differently than he did Colin? Did Andy think of Dave as being a sub-member of XTC? If the Beatles had gone on for 20 years, Ringo would have quit somewhere along the way too. O.K. Here's a lyric quibble that has nothing to do with No Thugs. My favorite song on AV is Harvest Festival, but I have a feeling that all of the printed lyrics I have seen are wrong. To see what I mean you have to look at the story. Harvest Festival time at school. Children are assembled, boys on one side, girls on the other. One boy and one girl walk together to the front of the hall to participate in the ritual. Andy looks across at girl sitting on the other side of the aisle and daydreams that it is the two of them walking down the aisle on their wedding day, girl gives him a "longing look." Years pass, Andy finds out that the girl has gotten married to someone also, just like he has. "You TOO got married and I wish you well." I don't see where this other character comes in as in "You TWO got married...." Who is this guy? Why is Andy singing to him? Maybe he's Graham's younger brother? I don't think he exists. Is that enough? I've been saving it all up for you for over 3 years. Maybe I'll try this again some time. Greg
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Message-ID: <373B4401.4099A39F@risd.edu>
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 17:28:37 -0400
From: gene <gyoon@risd.edu>
Subject: What Dog Doo Tastes Like
Apologies in advance for the following. Just needed to clear a few things
up.
> From: Todd Bernhardt
> Subject: Crank it up
>
> How incredibly presumptuous -- and downright mean-spirited -- of you
> to judge someone whom you've never met (and, even if you have, whom
> you don't know) in a public forum. Whose "reports" are you basing your
> judgement on?
Published ones, by numerous journalists and a couple biographers. And no,
I'm not looking up author names!
> Are you balancing those reports by doing some research
Well, I guess I might count the probably hundreds of accumulated hours I've
spent reading about xtc as research. (Place thumb and forefinger shaped in
the letter "L" on forehead now.)
> and talking to people on the other side of the issue?
Just one in person, someone who worked with xtc.
> How much exactly do you know about the myriad, complex and interrelated
> factors that led to Andy's "burned bridges"?
A lot more than you know about me, I think. So who's being
presumptuous. But I am sincerely sorry for causing you or anyone else
offense by my remarks ("emotionally stunted" was indeed harsh wording), as
I intended them to be more observation than judgement.
To clarify, I never suggested Andy Partridge is a bad person, father, or
friend, nor do I want to speculate. But it is apparent that he's had a
disproportionately large number of clashes with a lot of different people
directly affecting his band, music, career. Disportionate to what or whom,
you ask. Colin Moulding and Dave Gregory, for two. Nothing everybody here
didn't already know, of course. I should have added the first time around
that genius often arises from strong personalities, and few here would
argue that Andy Partridge possesses true genius.
Anyway, even you regard my view as passing judgement, it's not
uninformed. And making informed judgement is a natural part of any critical
discourse, which this public forum certainly is. For that, I too am glad
Andy Partridge doesn't read this list. (I was counting on it last week,
obviously!) I wouldn't in his shoes. But my main point is, if we were to
apply Todd's logic, the work of every scholar, writer and historian, among
others, would all be shit, to use his term.
> Discussing his (and Colin's) music, after all, is why
> we're here, IMO, rather than guessing at the reasons why Andy does the
> things he does as he runs his band or his life.
Why Andy does the things he does as he runs his band seems to me a very
relevant topic, because this is an xtc discussion group.
If you want to talk about mean spirit, you baked a pretty good one
yourself, Todd. Or maybe just when you're "cranky". ;-) (oops-- another
dash of chocolate sprinkles?? )
whew! not an auspicious return to chalkhills, I'll say.....
Wanting to stay clear of any further nastiness,
Gene
------------------------------ From: CCooli9575@aol.com Message-ID: <c7f2f9f6.246ca1b7@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 17:44:23 EDT Subject: Genesis >I know, opinions are like..well you know, but to imply that Steve >Hackett was a weak link in Genesis is absurd!! Yeah, he didn't fit in when >he wrote the music to " I Know What I Like" ( of course, PG wrote the >lyrics ). Try comparing his solo on the live version of "The Knife" to Mr. >Phillips' on Trespass! I love Anthony Phillips with Genesis and solo, but >Hackett's imagination on the guitar blows him out of the water! You really >think "And Then There Were Three", with Mike Rutherford's dulcet Guitar >work, holds a candle to their previous work? You are entitled to your >opinion ( however wrong it is). Give "Los Endos" or "Blood on the Rooftops" >a listen, and then tell me where Steve Hackett doesn't fit in!!!! They even >had to get an accomplished studio guitarist ( Darryl Stermer ) to tour with >them, because Rutherford couldn't handle Hackett's licks. Darryl did a >pretty good job, but he is no Steve Hackett!! Maybe it is because their >music took a turn for the commercial after he left, that you are so >enamoured at aimlessly putting down one of the key ingredients to early >Genesis' critical success!! Shame on you!! Go take a Genesis history >lesson before you open your big mouth about something you seem to know >nothing about!!!!! > > Fuming in Austin > >Jomama OK, OK, stop your fuming. I must rephrase here, and I hope I can make it brief. Steve Hackett is a very talented guitarist, one of the best out there. What I was trying to say that I feel he and Genesis just weren't a match, more on a personal and spiritual level than anything else. Musically it was like there were Genesis' ideas and Steve's ideas, they sometimes seemed to be pushing against each other. The occasional great guitar solo would stick out and grab my attention, or I'd notice his guitar work during an extended instrumental section where he had a chance to stretch out. I've read in interviews with him that he was never particularly happy in Genesis, that at best they were a job and a paycheck and a chance to express himself creatively. When Peter Gabriel left, Hackett, who had never gotten along with Tony Banks particularly to begin with, began accusing Tony of stealing his songwriting credits. He left after Wind And Wuthering because he believed he was more responsible for the band's music than he was given credit for. He may have had a case, for all I know; The rest of the band, being friends since school aside from Phil, pulled ranks and backed Tony on the dispute. If you've ever wondered why Steve never plays at Genesis reunions, that's why. He and Tony refuse to appear onstage with each other. Wonder what will happen when they make the Hall of Fame? In Tony Philips' case, he doesn't like playing live. The songwriter credits weren't as important before Gabriel left, because the songs were all credited to the band. After Gabriel, songs were credited to individual songwriters for the first time, which caused the dispute over credits to come to a head. As I recall, Steve's only writing credits(I could be wrong)on A Trick Of The Tail and Wind And Wuthering were Los Endos and Wot Gorilla? Both instumentals. Sorry to bore anybody with no interest in Genesis. Hey, at least this isn't about Air Supply or heavy metal. Back to our regularly scheduled program. Chris
------------------------------ From: CCooli9575@aol.com Message-ID: <b477ec22.246ca1ae@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 17:44:14 EDT Subject: Andy in Rolling Stone Thought this would be of interest to the list, it's in issue #813, the one with Jennifer Love Hewitt on the cover.(Schwing! She's a babe! Yodyyodyyodyyodyyodyyody...And no, I don't watch Party of Five either) FIVE FAVORITE TUNES OF ANDY PARTRIDGE The Beatles-Rain It's certainly got buckets of fire. It seemed to have everything you wanted from all the individual Beatles: some of Ringo's loosest, most exciting drumming, great, bulldog-teeth-in-your-groin guitar tone; Mc CArtney's most acrobatic, melodic bass. It's that snapshot of them right before they tip over and start to slide down. Burt Bacharach- Casino Royale Distressingly perfect. This seemed to be the best side of the music of my parent's generation. It's like somebody distilled sunshine and made it into a piece of music, like someone got a yellow crayon and played it. The Kinks- Autumn Almanac It's like a little minioperetta or something without any pomposity, like half a dozen tiny little songs. They pass you on from hand to hand, which in my opinion is perfect songwriting. It's like this decaying, beautiful garden gate somewhere in an English suburb, set to music. Honeybus- I Can't Let Maggie Go It's almost the perfect pop song- just acoustic guitar, bass and drums, chugging along midtempo. It uses the sort of melody and chord changes that you wouldn't hear outside the classics or jazz. It's got a sweet resignation to it. Judee Sill- Kiss One of the crimes of the century is you can't get this record on CD. Judee Sill was by all accounts a reformed prostitute, but she found God in the twelve-string guitar. This song scares the shit out of most people.
------------------------------ From: CCooli9575@aol.com Message-ID: <110db550.246ca1c7@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 17:44:39 EDT Subject: The Happy Valley Lion >Hey Max Germer, > >There's an absolutely mad XTC fanatic in Montague. Sorry I missed your >gig at the Iron Horse, but I was slogging at the Hadley Pizza Hut... > >Andy Partridge rules and Wal Mart sucks. > >Liz I haven't lived in the Happy Valley for over ten years, but I went to college and was turned onto XTC there. My friend Chris Barnard still lives in Greenfield, and I remember him being an XTC fan back then and probably still is one now. And ah yes, Hadley, my last address in the Noho/Armrest area before I moved to Montreal. I had a rehearsal space in the basement of the now-defunct Carburs(there's still one here in Burlington, VT, though), and recorded countless demos down there, including a rather eerie cover of "All Of A Sudden(It's Too Late)." Some of them might be worth releasing if I could find them, most of them were lost during my many moves in the 80's and early 90's. Chris
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Message-Id: <s73b1a94.090@chemonics.com>
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 18:28:01 -0400
From: Todd Bernhardt <tbernhardt@chemonics.com>
Subject: Re:What Dog Doo Tastes Like
Hi:
Gene responded to me and the list by saying:
>>> How incredibly presumptuous -- and downright mean-spirited -- of you to
judge someone whom you've never met (and, even if you have, whom you don't
know) in a public forum. Whose "reports" are you basing your judgement
on?<<<
>Published ones, by numerous journalists and a couple biographers. And no,
I'm not looking up author names!<
Hmm, the band has only two biographers I know of (Chris Twomey and
Phillippe Bihan). My french is rather rusty (rustique?), so I've only read
Twomey's book, but I don't recall him analyzing or making suppositions
about Andy Partridge's motivations without asking the man himself.
>Well, I guess I might count the probably hundreds of accumulated hours
I've spent reading about xtc as research. (Place thumb and forefinger
shaped in the letter "L" on forehead now.)<
Well, I suppose I've done the same amount of "research" as you, and spoken
with Andy several times, including one two-hour interview, and I don't feel
qualified to speculate about why he does what he does.
>>> and talking to people on the other side of the issue?<<<
>Just one in person, someone who worked with xtc.<
And they said?
>A lot more than you know about me, I think. So who's being presumptuous.<
I was making a comment about something you clearly stated in a public
forum, and -- I think -- your motivation was clear. You, on the other hand,
were making comments based on second-hand reports, and making a leap in
logic from those sources' description of _events_ to Andy Partridge's
_motivations_. Quite different, IMO.
> But I am sincerely sorry for causing you or anyone else offense by my
remarks ("emotionally stunted" was indeed harsh wording), as I intended
them to be more observation than judgement.<
I wasn't offended. It made me angry to see the kind of writing that keeps
Andy off the list in the first place.
>To clarify, I never suggested Andy Partridge is a bad person, father, or
friend, nor do I want to speculate. But it is apparent that he's had a
disproportionately large number of clashes with a lot of different people
directly affecting his band, music, career.<
Which he is, naturally, rather protective of. Again, do you really know
enough about all of the circumstances surrounding these clashes to place
the blame on Andy's shoulders (or in his head)?
> Disportionate to what or whom, you ask. Colin Moulding and Dave Gregory,
for two.<
How much do you know about the professional and/or personal clashes Colin
or Dave have had? Perhaps theirs just haven't been as public as Andy's.
> Nothing everybody here didn't already know, of course. I should have
added the first time around that genius often arises from strong
personalities, and few here would argue that Andy Partridge possesses true
genius.<
But how do you make the leap in logic from someone possessing "true genius"
to someone with "recurring personnel/personality perversions"? These are
unfounded assumptions on your part.
>Anyway, even you regard my view as passing judgement, it's not
uninformed.<
Not completely uninformed, but not informed enough to pass judgement on
others' motivations. Besides, is an informed point of view _ever_ really
reason enough to pass judgement on someone else? If so, how informed does
one have to be before one is qualified to do so?
> And making informed judgement is a natural part of any critical
discourse, which this public forum certainly is. For that, I too am glad
Andy Partridge doesn't read this list. (I was counting on it last week,
obviously!) I wouldn't in his shoes. But my main point is, if we were to
apply Todd's logic, the work of every scholar, writer and historian, among
others, would all be shit, to use his term.<
As far as I know, this public forum is about the music and art of XTC, and
how it relates to us, the participants in the forum. It's not -- IMO, and I
guess I might be wrong -- a place to bandy about ill-informed theories
about why the members are living their lives in one way or another.
That still leaves us many, many things to discuss -- for example, we can
talk about their music and the way it makes us feel; we can talk about what
we think the songwriter might have meant by a certain set of lyrics; and so
on. But it doesn't give us carte blanche to dissect a person's personal
motivations. Knowing the art and knowing the artist are _not_ the same
thing. Responsible critics, scholars, writers and historians know this.
>Why Andy does the things he does as he runs his band seems to me a very
relevant topic, because this is an xtc discussion group.<
If we hear it from a primary source. That's one of the reasons I'm glad
people like Mitch et. al. are on the list. Otherwise, it's just speculation
on our parts.
>If you want to talk about mean spirit, you baked a pretty good one
yourself, Todd. Or maybe just when you're "cranky". ;-) (oops-- another
dash of chocolate sprinkles?? )<
Sorry, Gene -- I should have said at least prefaced my rant with a "welcome
back." Please don't take this as a personal attack. It's something I feel
very strongly about, obviously. I care about Chalkhills and its --
certainly, when compared to other similar Internet lists -- consistently
high level of discourse, and so I tend to get rather vehement in my defense
of what I see as the proper rules of engagement.
--Todd
------------------------------ Message-ID: <000901be9da4$32adc940$28bfa0d0@meridith-s> From: "squirrelgirl" <squirrelgirl@citrusonline.net> Subject: Is Andy P. in here? Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 20:52:48 -0400 Howdy 'Hillians! The more I think about it, I really do believe that Andy P. is lurking behind a pseudonym or alter ego on this list. But which one? Dunks? Chris D.? Chris C.? Harrison? Dom? Molly? Amanda? Which one do YOU think is the real Andy P.? Just food for thought, Squirrelgirl
------------------------------ From: WWi8064839@aol.com Message-ID: <a6443fdf.246cd8af@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 21:38:55 EDT Subject: Dave and Andy's Guitar Solos Honestly, I could never tell Dave and Andy's guitar solos apart unless it was specifically written somewhere. Andy's quite a soloist and can create some clever doodles on the fretboard. Check out the solos on "We'll Build a House" from Martin Newell's "Greatest Living Englishman" and "Books are Burning" (in which he and Dave trade solos). Wes Wilson
------------------------------ From: WWi8064839@aol.com Message-ID: <83d2568e.246cd975@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 21:42:13 EDT Subject: "Fly Upon the Wall" by Blur? At the Tower Music station, I heard "Bugman" from the new Blur album today. Sounds like they've been listening to English Settlement, eh? (By the way, Blur should hang it up. They'll never outdo Parklife.) Wes Wilson
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 18:49:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Charles <mullin@sscf.ucsb.edu> Subject: Newell and other recommendations Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.990513182357.25052A-100000@alishaw> Hi gang! I gotta get some new CD's! I often hear people in this newsletter recommending various bands/artists, but foolishly I have not paid studious attention to these recommedations nor have I committed them to memory. Is there any archive of bands/artists that people in this newsgroup have recommended? If anyone wants to email me with a list, feel free! I have dug Martin Newell since I got "Greatest Living Englishman" when it first came out, but I have not gotten around to purchasing any other Newell product. My job (University professor) does not afford me tons of spending cash, and I tend to get depressed when I buy a CD that sucks, so I have to choose wisely. Of the Newell catalog, I have been considering "Golden Cleaners" (Cleaners From Venus comp.) and possibly the "Off White Album." However those are both imports to me, and would cost about $25 each, whereas I can get "The Wayward Genius of Martin Newell" for about $13. Where can I find a track listing for the latter album? Please advise. Someone in this newsgroup recommended some Terry Hall product once. I thought it was an album, but it may have been a single. Any particular Terry Hall recommendations? He has a compilation which covers his entire career (incl. some Specials)...is this a worthy album? Also, any opinion as to what the best online source of CD's is? Is there any place with some kind of "15% off with every purchase over $100" deals going? XTC content? Hmmmm...had the opportunity to see XTC and the Police play in a gym in my hometown circa 1979. Missed it for reasons that are now lost in the mists of time. I did however see The Knack, Tom Petty, and The Pretenders (separate concerts) in that same gym between 1978 and 1979 though. Thanks! Charles
------------------------------ Message-ID: <373B9B51.F0D5910D@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 20:41:06 -0700 From: Yoshiko Yeto <beaudrillard@earthlink.net> Subject: my convoluted picks Let us talk about some trivial things we like. ---Mssr. Moulding Esteemed Chalkhillians: As usual, I am the wallflower finally participating in a weeks old discussion. Please kindly excuse the belated relevance...My picks for the five most important musical artists are as follows: 1. Charles Mingus His music beautifully captures the neuroses of the modern city dweller in pieces such as "II BS". Acting as a foil to the aforementioned piece, "Peggy's Blue Skylight" lush harmonies transcend this earthly plane. 2. Astor Piazzola Piazzola single handedly revolutionized the tango by incorporating the feel of jazz with elements of modern classical music in this traditional form. 3. Nicolas Slonimsky Slonimsky's "Thesaurus of Scales and Melodic Patterns" is probably one of the most referenced books in music theory. 4. Brian Eno Utilizing concepts previously relegated to the visual arts, Eno established process oriented music. Essentially, ideas became of equal importance to music itself. Eno's "Taking Tiger Mountain (By Strategy), originally released in 1974, still sounds relevant and contemporary. 5. The Shaggs The Shaggs defied all conventions of music theory, musicianship, and musicality! Their songs breathtakingly teetered on impending disintegration, yet they always miraculously managed to "stay together". I defy anyone to try their nerve shattering tightrope act! As an all girl group, they provide inspiration to us deranged members of the double x chromosome set. Well, I must retire for the evening, so that I can prepare to toil another grueling day at the non (emphasis on non) profit organization. Ahh, love on a farmgirl's wages... Uffingtonly yours, Malady Nelson Some people say That I am out of my tree Or just a strawberry fool ---oh, you know who
------------------------------ Message-ID: <373BAEE5.F5851EC1@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 22:04:37 -0700 From: Yoshiko Yeto <beaudrillard@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: XTC Concert The senses are the organs through which man communicates with external objects. ---Jean-Anthelme Brillat-Savarin The Physiology of Taste, 1825 Chauncy and Fellow Chalkhillians: I should like to contribute to the vittles for the XTC concert. My proposed menu of tastes would consist of: 1. Seared scallops with wilted fennel in a Calvados reduction 2. Poached quail eggs perfumed with black truffles 3. Peeky toe crabs sauteed with lemon grass and ginger 4. Stilton gnocchi topped with apple wood smoked salmon 5. Tagine of pidgeon accompanied by preserved lemons 6. Pain perdu (for my friend Mary) 7. A proper carmelized pear trifle For my culinary efforts, would you kindly play "Leisure"? I would like to join in on that number by replicating Andy's saxophone solo on my clarinet! How about it? Malady "Senses Working Over Time" Nelson p.s. As evidenced by Orson Welles, gastronomy is a death sentence. On his final evening, he consumed a six course meal at Ma Maison, followed by 14 (I believe) hot dogs from Pinks! Thus, I fully expect this XTC extravaganza of music and epicurian delights to yield the death knolls. At my wake, please kindly play "Chain of Command" to encourage frenzied dancing by my friends and loved ones.
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Message-ID: <373BD5EF.25F0037F@mnsi.net>
Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 03:52:26 -0400
From: Michael Stone <nedrise@MNSi.Net>
Subject: a fantasy list
> what would your dream XTC tribute album be?
Molly -what a great idea!
I can use any body I want ? O K then...Here's my list.
1. Summer's Cauldron/Grass -k d lang
2. I Remember The Sun -Bill Bruford & Earthworks
3. Vanishing Girl -The Hollies
4. Easter Theatre - Chicago Symphony Orchestra
5. No Thugs in Our House -The Kinks
6. Love on a Farmboy's Wages -The Chieftains
7. River of Orchids - Kronos Quartet
8 No Language in Our Lungs -The Pretenders
9. The Man Who Sailed Around His Soul - Sun Ra Arkestra
10. medley: Greenman/Human Alchemy/Deliver Us From The Elements
-Genesis(w/ Peter Gabriel)
11. Church of Women -Terry and the Lovemen
12. I Can't Own Her -Nat King Cole
13. Travels in Nihilon -The Who
14. Then She Appeared - The Beatles
Did any body else play that music trivia contest on Yahoo on Wednesday night?
It was mo fo ing tough!
Mike
------------------------------ From: Jdmack01@aol.com Message-ID: <3d73de97.246d5beb@aol.com> Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 06:58:51 EDT Subject: I'M SORRY!!! Forgive me! I really meant to change the subject line before I sent that last message! It's 7:00 am, and I can't unsend the message with my software. J. D.
------------------------------ Message-ID: <373C1778.95F5E5D2@erols.com> Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 08:30:49 -0400 From: Todd and Jennifer Bernhardt <toddjenn@erols.com> Subject: The Internet Rules Hi: > If "Chips" sounds "dated", (and I assume you meant that negatively,) then > you don't "get" the Dukes, and if you don't get the Dukes, how can you > really "get" XTC? Liz I, I'm sure you're going to hear this from several people, but: It was a JOKE. Eddie St. Martin posited: > so,maybe morgasm is a morning orgasm? Great! Cool interpretation... Speaking of great, that was a great tribute list, Molly. I especially like > 6. Statue of Liberty - Squeeze > 7. Another Satellite - Kate Bush > 9. Jump - Neil Finn > 12. Mayor of Simpleton - Paul McCartney Haven't thought much of Paulie's efforts lately, but I'd love to hear him do that song. The bass line was custom-made for him. Melissa asked: > PS to Todd - what other kind of child could Chrissy Hynde and Rudolph > Nureyev have than a bastard child? ;-) A bitchy child? :^) Just wondering: Is all this confusion about where "No Thugs" falls in the running order of English Settlement based on where it's placed on the (bogus) single-LP release? The CD, after all, matches the running order of the double-LP version. Paul from Oz said: > I used the wealth of material contained in that interview to compose items > that I submitted to most of the major newspapers and specific music organs > in this country - all to no avail. Disappointing after a lot of hard work > on my part. I guess I'm just not the "journalist" I sometimes aspire to > be. But I still reckon my interviews with AP and TC are corkers! > Nevertheless, it's great to see our boys getting coverage in Oz. Don't feel bad -- what you've experienced is fairly typical. The odds are always against the freelancer who does work and then shops it around. Most media outlets that you're going to want your stuff published by will want the work to be done by their own people; it's usually only the smaller, less-prestigious publications that will publish unsolicited work. This is the greatness of the Internet, though -- it's making this crap less and less necessary. Bypass the record and publishing companies, say I, and go directly to The People! And now for something completely different: A man with three buttocks. Wait, that's not it. Oh. I was mistaken in my last post when I said there were only two biographers of XTC. A quick glance at Chalkhills reminded me that two Italian gentlemen -- Paolo Bertrando and Vittorio Azzoni -- have also written XTC books. However, because my Italian-language skills don't extend beyond the food groups, I haven't read them either. To clarify my points to Gene in that last post: I'm not saying that Gene is wrong in his assessment of Andy's personality or his motivations. For all we know, he might be right. But -- and this is the crux of the biscuit for me -- we _don't_ know, and so I think that's territory we should steer clear of. I also realize that some people may look at my regard for the "rules of engagement" here on Chalkhills as naive -- after all, this is the Internet, where anarchy generally rules. But I don't see the guidelines I'm talking about (discussing the art rather than the artist, the action rather than the actor) as particularly restricting. Posts based on first-hand knowledge or analysis will always be more interesting to me than those based on assumption or conjecture, and it seems to me there are far more topics and opportunities for us to write about the former than there are for the latter. And if you disagree with that, well, I'll retreat behind the defense we can all use: It's my opinion. :^) -Todd
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