Chalkhills Digest Volume 6, Issue 37
Date: Wednesday, 8 March 2000
Chalkhills Digest, Volume 6, Number 37
Wednesday, 8 March 2000
Today's Topics:
clever clever clever
Shiny wasp heart STINGS!
Blue Vs. Green
Got Eels?
Our Shiny Wasp Star Luxury Yacht M-O-U-S-E
Frivolous Tonight on Italian TV Commercial
From the CD NOW Live feed....
What's in a Name?
Wasp Star release question
XTC-jingle
Sex Sells Wood Shells By the E-Store
Advice taken and appreciated
WARNING WARNING WARNING
AV2 or not? xtc and the beatles?
Greg/Garret/Jane/David/Mark
Re: AV2 demos
Wasp Star is Astec for Saw Ars PT (anag.)
Ben & Fuzzy Dunks
Wasp Star
why "Wasp"
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---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 05:36:28 -0800 From: Peter Fitzpatrick <peterfit@microsoft.com> Subject: clever clever clever Message-ID: <B9B4268C8F87D11195DC0000F840FABE12AF70FA@DUB-MSG-02> Andy uses the McCartney tribute to get some publicity for Wasp Star hehehehe http://www.billboard.com/daily/2000/0306_05.asp Peter Fitzpatrick Media Program Manager Microsoft EPDC
------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 08:11:32 -0500 From: erik schlichting <eriks@ci.conover.nc.us> Subject: Shiny wasp heart STINGS! Message-ID: <38C50004.3F601A15@ci.conover.nc.us> I am not surprised or disappointed that AVII turns out to be a working title for the upcoming release. I am not suprised but mildly disappointed that the new title will not be derived from the lyrics of AVI. I thought "Dandelions' Roar" would have been good.... Personally, I think that "Wasp Star" is weak and, well, it sucks. But, I'd still buy it. I am not surprised yet severely disappointed to hear that XTC will more than likely not do anything for the McCartney tribute album. But still, that initial rumor was fun for a while, right? I thought the choice of Uncle Albert was very good, too, and I wonder who came up with John Cleese as a cameo. I am NOT surprised but SEVERELY disappointed that the release date is pushed back. Oh, well. I AM surprised but NOT disappointed that the last few weeks seem to have brought in some new blood, which is always nice, but without the usual uproar. Hmmm, an unusually laid-back batch of XTC fans & converts all at once, or are they simply well-behaved? Welcome, all. garret harkawik wrote about loaning out Chips From the Chocolate Fireball: There's this fellow near me who runs his own little independent used-CD store. He's very much into "Prog-rock," Djam Karet, Osric Tentacles & other stuff I've never heard, but he knows & loves all the great rock & pop of the 60's. My attempts to get him to listen to XTC were met with with disdain. But, one day, I managed to talk him into listening to "Vanishing Girl," not telling him who the band was. I ended up leaving the CD with him. Next week, I went back to get my CD back and, WOW! The Dukes are being played over the store's sound system! People are looking at each other as "Mole from the Ministry" just gets cranking! He points out to me the brand new copy he's got displayed with his new stuff! Then, I explain the whole thing-- It's XTC performing under another name. It took the air out of him, I could see him deflate in disappointment. I don't understand why this was, exactly. Maybe I had burst the bubble that comes with discovering music that you never knew existed and suddenly don't know how you ever lived without it. Maybe he felt I'd played a trick on him. In any case, he did stock ONE copy of AVI, and when it finally sold, didn't re-stock it. He got it back a month later used, sold it again in two days, and I've never seen another there.... It's almost time to go pester him about AVII. Erik
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Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 01:30:40 CST
From: "vee tube" <veetube@hotmail.com>
Subject: Blue Vs. Green
Message-ID: <20000307073040.63722.qmail@hotmail.com>
Hey Dirt Living folk,
Do Blue CDRs SOUND! better than Green ones?
Do 1X sound better than 4X?
Please respond off post!
}---:)
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Date: 6 Mar 00 22:17:53 PST
From: vee tube <veetube@netscape.net>
Subject: Got Eels?
Message-ID: <20000307061753.29201.qmail@www0d.netaddress.usa.net>
Now you do!
http://www.idrive.com/eels1
XTC content?
http://www.idrive.com/autoradio
If this keeps up,I may never need to hold another contest!
}---:)
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Coming soon! Mr.Winky's idrive! BEAT THE BOOTS! UPLOAD IT NOW!
HELP ME!
TROUT!OUT!
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Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 09:18:12 +0100
From: jeffrey.thomas.jt@bayer-ag.de
Subject: Our Shiny Wasp Star Luxury Yacht M-O-U-S-E
Message-ID: <0006800021253142000002L022*@MHS>
Hey there "Kreideberger",
"WASP STAR"? In caps, at that? Or "Our Shiny Heart"? What's going on
here? It sort of reminds me of the story about Peter Gabriel, which I
only heard from a friend of a friend, so correct me if I get some of the
details wrong. Of course, every fan knows his first 3 solo albums were
each called "Peter Gabriel". No problem for record companies in the
beginning -- they didn't exactly sell jillions, and it sort of added an
obvious confirmation of Gabriel's unconventionality to the product --
until the 3rd one *did* sell jillions. That's when the story gets
interesting. Whereas the "ROW" versions of the 4th album were also still
(allowed to be?) called just "Peter Gabriel", in America, the record
company pushed and pushed for a "real" name and finally gave the record
one themselves ("Security").
By the time that record also sold in large quantities, *all* of the
distributors wanted a "real" name. Gabriel wasn't too thrilled by the
idea, but when they absolutely, positively insisted, he replied to the
likes of, "You want a real name for the record? So..." To which they
replied, "...And? What IS the name, Oh Great and Powerful Pete?" "I just
said it...'So'." Which started the new trend for his "normal studio"
records, followed by "Us", and now soon "Up". (By the way, when IS that
record finally coming out? The delays are worse than AV2!). And, no
doubt, someday to be followed by his 8th record, "Go". (He could also try
"Oz" if it isn't already copyrighted, patented, and licensed.)
Maybe TVT, being the Americans that they are (Dave didn't like them too
much, if I recall...) will insist on "WASP STAR", but who knows, maybe
they can sell it in the Rest of the World under Apple Venus Vol. 2. For
true XTC believers, the name really *has* to be "Apple Venus Volume 2" --
and who else but true believers buys XTC albums anyway? At least they're
keeping "AV2" as a subtitle.
If they're gonna call it something anyway, and something utterly strange
to top it off, why not "We Would Have Made This Instrumental but the Words
Got in the Way" or something of that nature? Oh well, I guess there's
just no understanding the ways of the business world...
Ciao for niao
- Jeff
------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 10:01:31 +0100 From: "Riccardo Martelli" <riccardo@dicea.unifi.it> Subject: Frivolous Tonight on Italian TV Commercial Message-ID: <38C4D37B.8500.1A1002A8@localhost> Hi everybody, my first post to the list (silent reader of the Chalks since 1996, but a lot of digest to read yet) only to say that "Frivolous Tonight" has been chosen from VolksWagen Italia as a soudtrack for the TV commercial of their new version of their city-car Lupo. Hope our guys will earn something from that (money, selling records, indirect advertising, etc) like other so-called "big" music-stars. Riccardo Martelli
------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 08:53:43 EST From: Chauncy14@aol.com Subject: From the CD NOW Live feed.... Message-ID: <ae.222aae5.25f663e7@aol.com> XTC's Andy Partridge Clears Up McCartney Tribute Rumor March 6, 2000, 1:25 pm PT http://cdnow.com/allstararticle/fid=193289/from=sr-131222-1 Best Regards, John Gardner Sunny Chicago
------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 09:25:55 -0800 From: "Dane Pereslete" <peresd@tcwgroup.com> Subject: What's in a Name? Message-ID: <s8c4cb3f.073@tcwgroup.com> Personally, I don't care if Andy and Colin decide to name the album *Dog Vomit* - if the music is still delicious, I'll "consume" it... ------------------------------------------------------- Logging in from beautiful Glendale, CA USA "Waiting for AV2" daneperes@aol.com -or- bramage64@aol.com -------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 13:34:43 EST
From: "JANE SPENCER-DAVIS" <janesunfish@hotmail.com>
Subject: Wasp Star release question
Message-ID: <20000307183443.21883.qmail@hotmail.com>
Hello hillers:
Now that Wasp Star is going to be out on May 23rd (audible groan), does that
affect the Japanese release date of March 15th? And, if so, does that mean I
have extra time to preorder so I can get that nifty little book? If I can,
let me know (privately, if you prefer, Sushiman John- if it wouldn't be a
bother...thanks in advance)
-jane
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Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 20:05:14 +0100
From: "paolo" <lemons@tin.it>
Subject: XTC-jingle
Message-ID: <LOBBIBKPKJCGLGDMLDLKGEHLCBAA.lemons@tin.it>
Ciao.
In Italy the commercial TV-spot of the Wolkswagen "Lupo" has as jingle
Frivolous Tonight.
No comment.
paolo di modica@ten feet tall
http://space.tin.it/io/pdimodic
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Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 15:17:46 EST
From: Hbsherwood@aol.com
Subject: Sex Sells Wood Shells By the E-Store
Message-ID: <d4.1fb77c6.25f6bdea@aol.com>
>From: "Duncan Kimball" <dunks58@hotmail.com>
>Subject: Orgroan A-cum-u-later
>I've read some spaced-out shit in my time, but Orgone Energy is right up
>there with crystal healing, Feng Shui and alien abductions. What f***ing
>crock.
Now, loathe as I usually am to fall in a credulous heap over pseudopscience
(my wife generally refers to me in the throes of passion as Doctor Subtilis,
her Studmuffin of Skeptical Inquiry), I must demur from Dunks's all-too-hasty
dismissal of Reich's groundbreaking research. After all, a form of energy
that can make William S. Burroughs' willie come off in his hand (am I
remembering that right?) can't be *entirely* bad, can it?
Another item mitigating in favor of Reich's far-reaching findings is the fact
of the existence of the Orgone Biophysical Research Laboratory, curated by
one Dr. James DeMeo, Ph.D. (come on! A *real* Ph.D., Dunks!). And would a
*real* Ph.D. waste his valuable time and ours working on a web site if he
didn't think the subject was really important? (http://www.orgonelab.org/)
A-and look at the site! It's got a logo ("Symbol of Orgonomic Functionalism
Embracing the Earth"), a PO Box, and everything! This isn't just some
fly-by-night wacko, man! This guy ain't gonna go wafting off after Comet
Hale-Bopp, like *some* people I could mention! No colander hat or identical
Nikes on Doctor DeMento I mean DeMeo! He runs a *web* site!
See in particular the section of the site, "Response to the So-Called
'Skeptics' and Other Super-Critics of Orgonomy" (that's *you*, Mister
Smarty-pants Kimball!) where there's a whole boatload of articles defending
Reich. That all of the articles were penned by Doctor DeMento himself, and
that they all appear to be refreshingly free of such tired old hidebound
academic fripperies as empirical observation, the scientific method and peer
review, only testifies to the urgency of the matter at, er, hand. After all,
if the world can be saved by the energy released through orgasms, then we
shouldn't be sitting around on our duffs *talking* about it--let's get out
there and *do* it! Right hand fast, left hand slow: whichever you pick, just
go, man, go!
And if *that* isn't enough, perhaps you'd like to pop over to
http://www.orgonics.com/ where for a relative pittance (what's 1750 clams
American when unlimited orgone energy can be yours for the asking!) you can
buy a finely crafted orgone accumulator, perfect for any rumpus room or home
gym! Check the different full-body models at
http://www.orgonics.com/humorac.htm! Here's practical proof of these folks'
_bone fides_: A crass, *dishonest* merchant of wacky pseudoscientific quack
remedies would attempt to distract your attention from his shoddy merchandise
by draping scantily clad women in provocative poses all over it; not so the
fine, upstanding, *earnest* purveyors of wacky pseudos.q.r's at Orgonics.com!
Take a look at that honey in the 5-ply job! Hubba, hubba! I once got my
knuckles rapped for interrupting my own grandmother in nearly exactly the
same pose, but the door I opened had a moon carved in it. Boy golly, the
orgonic sexual energy conjured up by that peepshow-tableau, eh! Grrrrrowl!
Bill Burroughs got nothin' on this, baby!
Speaking of Burroughs, you can also purchase the very device that caused the
old goat's tallywacker to come off in his hand (I'm *still* not completely
certain I have that right)--the handheld version of the Accumulator is for
sale at http://www.orgonics.com/charger.htm. I am definitely not going to
speculate as to the functionality of that "Shooter Funnel" ("local
irradiation, or on pets and plants" it sez...yikes!) but if the author of
"Cities of the Red Night" has been anywhere *near* it, I want a certificate
from the autoclave shop before I fork over my $250.
Ah, screw all of you Nazis. You know what your problem is? You've been
laboring under the misapprehension that blowing your nose is enough. Well,
it isn't. http://www2.active.ch/~gerstei/main.en.html
Harrison "With the Nori and the Shooter Funnel, I can do this at *both*
ends, baby!" Sherwood
PS: May I just break in here to observe that "Wasp Star" backwards is "Rats
Psaw." I think that pretty much clears up *that* subject.
------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 12:45:41 -0800 From: Ed Kedzierski <ed.kedzierski@blvdmedia.com> Subject: Advice taken and appreciated Message-ID: <08B5DDC2BABCD311BFC6005004A884B013B532@mgcservices.com> In 6-36, Craig Vreeken advised: "Ed, Ed, Ed. You need to lighten up, buddy. " Randy Hiatt said something more or less along the same lines... And quite appropriately, too. All apologies to everyone (especially John) for the tone and content of that little freak-out. I should have taken it as a sign that it didn't send properly the first time (immediately after re-sending it, I realized I'd blown the chance to take back a pile of embarassing gun-jumping shrieking). Again, sorry about that. Maybe I should have retired to the john with a fine periodical and "the Strain" cranked up to 11, which usually tends to clear things up... (as long as we're doing Bonzos references...)
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Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 15:58:18 EST
From: Hbsherwood@aol.com
Subject: WARNING WARNING WARNING
Message-ID: <16.1979d39.25f6c76a@aol.com>
Whew! Glad I caught you in time, before you all went off half-cocked (ow!)
and snagged yourselves a bunch of Orgone Accumulators and started messing
around with sexual-energy-n-stuff.
I just found this rather unsettling warning buried in the fine print at the
Orgonics.com web site:
NOTE: Because the energetic quality of the atmosphere affects
the functioning of the accumulator, do not use them near
televisions, computers, fluorescent lights, x-ray machines,
electric blankets, electric heaters, microwave ovens, strong
chemical fumes, electrical air ionizers or within 50 miles
of a nuclear power plant.
WOOF! You see why I was so urgent? Lord knows *what* loony shit would happen
if you used your Orgone Accumulator within 50 miles of a nuke plant! Maybe
that's why Burroughs's tinkle came off in his hand! You think?
Anyway, the rest of you, the normals--you know, the people without
televisions, computers, fluorescent lights, or microwave ovens in your
homes--will be just fine. Orgone away!
Harrison "Accounts for the bitterness in his later work" Sherwood
PS: An old junkie writer named Bill
Thought he'd try for a new kind of thrill
Stimulated his joint
Too near Indian Point
Now he searches for Little Bill still.
------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 22:55:34 +0100 (MET) From: Hans_Stromberg <hansstromberg@spray.se> Subject: AV2 or not? xtc and the beatles? Message-ID: <13099921@spray.se> Oh. Hello. My name is Hans. I've only been in the delurking mode some three or four times the last twelve months most of the time I just check the list, read some of the contributions, having a good time but I really enjoy this list. I've tried the Stereolab sites (not the Peng! list, though) but this hill is more of a big smorgasbord: a lot to choose from, with various interrelated topics, a friendly tone and an understandning attitude (some exceptions, I know) towards one another, lots of recommendations about other etcetera. So I've seen the comparisons, the first one with the AV2 as the name for the new record from xtc- or not-debate", and the other one, the 'resemblance or not between Pepper and Skylurking'-one (oh, sorry, Skylarking). Now, my question is: What was the connection between AV1 and AV2 from the beginning, except from the fact they were going to be so called, in just that way; volume one and two? Was there a musical theme or something else that the two collections of songs shared, or what else did they have in common? I mean, maybe there was a connection in the past but as times have passed, the connection now has disappeared. Or does anyone know? Just curious. Anyway, my hope is that the albums will be quiet different from each other (I haven't heard any demos, only read about them), because I've always loved the pop nerve in xtc, be it in Statue of Liberty (one of my favourite all time pop songs), Dear madame Barnum (I did an interpretation of it in one digest, and I actually recieved a comment on it, not so very positive, but still, an answer) or Earn enough for us. AV1 is a good record, but Nonsuch beats it with at least two horselengths... any time. But I've learned to appreciate "I can't own her", never thought I would. Right now I'm listening to the Dukes and it is here, IMHO, that the connection between xtc and beatles is strongest; the music around the sixties; The Beatles Revolver-Pepper period, early Pink Floyd, Kinks (around Village Green Preservation Society), The Nuggets compilation, Beach Boys'Pet Sounds, the Byrds etcetera, all of this and more is paraphrased, transformed and refreshed into the more swindon-ish mode (I'm sorry, but to explain music in a second language is terribly difficult) and out comes marvellous music. The similarities with the english music hall-tradition in Albert Brown, the Strawberry/Walrus-pipes and psychedelic backwardplaying guitars in Mole from the Ministry, the 99% rip-off introduction on "Vanishing girl", taken from "The Lion sleeps tonight", and the production, with all the funny sounds that goes in and out the loudspeakers (there's more examples); this is the real tribute to the Beatles and the sixties era. And it's not even covers the play to make the tribute. I'd love to (also) hear a new record from the Dukes, apart from that other one, eh, whatever the title's going to be. Au revoir, and, many greetings from the North pole, /Hans Hiding faces turning pages, still they read and read Http://www.spray.se
------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 16:22:19 EST From: WESnLES@aol.com Subject: Greg/Garret/Jane/David/Mark Message-ID: <62.189b702.25f6cd0b@aol.com> Gregory Sandoval spake thusly... "I am of course very excited about the upcoming XTC (and recent releases from the other members of my favorite artist triumverant, Steely Dan and Joe Jackson)" Yeah baby yeah!...but don't forget about Elliott Smith and Jeff Buckley. That's right, Jeff Buckley...that dead white boy gonna be churnin' out material for years to come. This one is a live disc with material culled from different sources...and it's going to be accompanied by a vid and a dvd. Now, aren't we all glad that he's dead? ;) Garret Harkawik turned someone on to the Dukes, NICELY DONE. Then asked which XTC release he should hit said chap on the head with now to hook him for good. I say English Settlement....it's so damn good it's just gotta be the right choice. JANE SPENCER-DAVIS says she's carefully constructing the definitive throat warbler mangrove. You too? How's yours comin' along, cause mine's givin' me fits! David Smith (like that's your REAL name) found the import (US boy here) Mummer CD, and delivered the following lines: "OK, OK, I know that's probably not that big news in this arena of dedicated Chalkhillians who trade everything from AV2 demos to Andy's old toenail clippings" Hey man...you got a lead on some toenail clippings? I recently bought some at a convention for $150 bucks, a steal in my opinion! Sadly, I had them tested and the DNA didn't match Andy's...so I got ripped off. (strange, because I later ground the toenails up and smoked them and suddenly could play Love On a Farmboy's Wages on my sorry acoustic without fuckin' up even once) Let this be a lesson to all you collectors out there. Toenail clippings are just like autographs...assume they are fake unless you get them directly from the artist! I felt silly for my error until I recalled that Mark Strijbos once paid several hundred dollars for a necklace made of Colin's bellybutton lint. Now that's just sad. ;) I've got hundreds o XTC gigs and demos, but no bodily parts @: http://members.tripod.com/~The_Last_Balloon/index.html Oh..say what you want about Mummer...but you must admit that the bonus tunes on that disc are amazing....come on now...Toys, Jump & Desert Island!!!!!!! wesLONG
------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 14:42:35 -0800 From: Paul Rogers <progers@pcrmusic.com> Subject: Re: AV2 demos Message-ID: <1ECA24EBA3B1D311B9C500485450E78E8760@www.paccomsys.com> Dear Chalkhillians ok those with demos give em up. Can't you have mercy on those of us unconnected and share the love via MP3 secure site download. one of you must have the time and ability to create such a place where we might go and have a drink of the almost fermented wine. Please let us know how we can get any copies of these demos for AV2 PR
------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 16:41:35 -0600 From: "Damian Wise (Foulger)" <damian@imclaser.com> Subject: Wasp Star is Astec for Saw Ars PT (anag.) Message-ID: <20000307163457.1ae2b988.in@ceo.ceolasers.com> Peter (which Peter? There is only one Peter!) wrote: > Wasp Star is Aztec for Apple Venus (at least I *think* that's what he > said) It sounds to me that Andy's infamous wry, sarcastic sense of humour is getting the better of you Peter! Ha, ha. Dames tWd -- Waiting for AV2
------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 18:07:20 EST From: WESnLES@aol.com Subject: Ben & Fuzzy Dunks Message-ID: <e0.2005bf7.25f6e5a8@aol.com> Ben Gott scribbled: Does anyone know the date that the promo copies of "Wasp" will be available in the U.S.? My review copy has been held up...TVT says it will be a couple of weeks. Cheer up my lovelies...it will be here before you know it, so you can all soon listen to it for a week and start bitchin' about when the next one comes out, just like me. Dunks belched: For some odd reason I tend not accept at face value ideas which fly in the face of reason, common sense and the laws of physics. No god, no master, magic doesn't happen. You don't believe in magic? You sick twisted bastard. By the way Dunks, thanks a lot for not showing at church Sunday morning.... I had to handle your snake too. wesLONG http://members.tripod.com/~The_Last_Balloon/index.html
------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 19:33:00 EST From: "Brian Young" <raggedglory57@hotmail.com> Subject: Wasp Star Message-ID: <20000308003300.537.qmail@hotmail.com> Hello Chalk Hawks, IMHO, Wasp Star is a poor choice of title for the next album, but so was AV2. I also thought that Nonsuch was just a terrible title, and had a poor cover as well. You can't even say Wasp Star easily, and it's not particularly memorable. Unfortunately, if XTC was ever really going to connect with a mass audience, it would need to have a memorable album title and an eye-appealing or cover. Do they have some kind of fear of success? They write and perform such great songs, but at the last minute, they drop the ball. Regardless, I can't wait for the new album, XTC is my all-time favorite band, and I am grateful for all the fabulous songs they have given us, so I hope I'm not being overly critical. Now Mitch, let's get Adrian Belew in to trade some licks with Andy for the next one after WS, or AV2, or whatever it ends up being called. Cheers, Brian
------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 16:32:41 -0800 From: awa <errora@earthlink.net> Subject: why "Wasp" Message-ID: <38C59FA9.4FC0@earthlink.net> hey XTC enthusiasts, can someone please explain to me the logic behind the name "Wasp"? all i can i think of is the acronym for that particular racial designation. i seem to have missed out on something. --alec
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