Chalkhills Digest Volume 6, Issue 48
Date: Friday, 24 March 2000
Chalkhills Digest, Volume 6, Number 48
Friday, 24 March 2000
Today's Topics:
XTC & the Residents
self/starring the wasp
Weird chords inside the green-gold mine...
Check Soul Coughing site for verification of band breakup
Re: Is there any good music out now?
2.2 cents worth including GST
Other good music out there
How do I get a copy
Mayan and yours
must resist...must resist...DELURK!
He Who Hesitates
music for XTC fans
The True Meaning of "W.A.S.P. S.T.A.R."
...with hilarious consequences!
Re: star rules
getting my fill
Re: What I call that noise
Mmm Mmm Good
CSNY, POO, Nick Drake
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---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 05:58:05 -0800 (PST) From: The Colonel <captainextraneous@yahoo.com> Subject: XTC & the Residents Message-ID: <20000323135805.14146.qmail@web116.yahoomail.com> Glad to see there are fans of TMBG, the Pixies & Elvis Costello here. God, I thought I was the only one. Well, since some of you are familiar with those bands, perhaps you know of the Residents as well. For those who may not be, The Residents are often cited as "the world's most famous anonymous band," as they have been in existence for nearly 30 years, and still no one knows their real identities. Well, I have a developing theory on this that relates to XTC, so if anyone has ideas about the accompanying points, please share. Namely, the theory is that members of XTC are also members of The Residents. There are several points which lead me to this conclusion, so I will expound on them here. Feel free to add, correct, change, etc. This evidence may be entirely circumstantial, but this has been bugging me for a while, and I'd like some input from others familiar with the two bands ... 1. Some of the selections from XTC's Dukes Of Stratosphear project sound EXACTLY like The Residents tracks from that same period. Don't believe me? Listen to the vocals & arrangements of "25 O'Clock" and "Mole >From The Ministry", then listen to the Residents' 13th Anniversary Show album, or one from around the same time. Partridge does a distorted growl on "25" that matches the Residents' "Where Is She" to a "T". And the odd vocal effects on "Mole" could be lifted right off of "Eskimo." 2. A pronouced dislike for organized religion is highlighted by the music of both bands. The Residents have their latest album, based on the Bible, and titled "Wormwood." It points out many of the Bible's stories that you would never hear about at Sunday services, and takes great pride in focusing on the hypocrisy of organized religion. Then there is, of course, "Dear God," and the numerous lyrical statements found in other XTC songs (Think "Your Dictionary," "Merely A Man," the list goes on ...) 3. Similar-sounding singing voices. This point has already been touched on a bit, but listen to The Dukes, or some of XTC's more obscure material, then listen to the Residents' Commercial album or Eskimo. I can pick out Residents tracks that could be Colin as well Andy. And the occasional Paul McCartney-influenced voice is found in abundance on both bands' releases. Of course we know that Andy guested on the Commercial Album anyway (fifteen seconds of vocals on "Margaret Freeman," but who's to say this wasn't simply a tipping of the hat? - A clue, as it were). 4. The Residents first-ever tour began immediately following XTC's retirement from the road. This is another interesting coincidence. The Residents had been around for ten years by that point, yet suddenly decided to tour for the first time. Maybe Andy felt more secure to be performing anonymously? Hmmm ... 5. Both bands' willingness to create anonymous projects. This point really sells the theory for me. The Residents have been releasing material anonymously for decades. During that same time, XTC and its members have performed under such surnames as Terry & the Lovemen, Dukes of Stratosphear, The Three Wise Men, The Colonel, the list goes on ... What other band in modern music has been so interested in doing this type of thing? No one else I can think of. 6. Pronounced use of sexual imagery. The Residents and Andy Partridge both seem to enjoy flaunting conceptions of (particularly male) sexual imagery. The Residents have devoted entire albums to the topic. Andy's "Pink Thing" instantly comes to mind as a great XTC example. 7. Routine usage of the terms "mole" and "arf" ... You don't hear either of these words in modern rock music very often, you have to admit. Yet both of these bands have used them. I realize this sounds silly, but just think about it in context with the other available "evidence." 8. Partridge & the Residents each contributed projects for John Flansburgh's Hello CD of the Month club. A similarity of interests & styles could account for this, but who knows? Well, I could ramble on a lot longer about what is probably a silly topic to begin with, but I won't. I realize that the above could all be amazing coincidences, or a case of one band influencing the other, but please do give me your thoughts. The Colonel
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Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 04:46:39 -0500
From: Brookes McKenzie <rmckenzi@dti.net>
Subject: self/starring the wasp
Message-ID: <v04220801b4ff84fe7810@[192.168.0.1]>
hola chalk-ones, long time no write.
with my exquisite sense of timing i decided to actually read the
latest issue and - lo and behold! - the second batch of fresh XTC is
ready to consume. i'll probably burn my fingers, but it'll be worth
it. since i've already gorged myself on raw demos, my appetite is
slightly less than the ravenous fiend i was becoming prior to
purchasing some AP bootlegs (*naughty* brookes - bad, evil, wicked,
naughty brookes!), but that was merely a rough and dirty fix at best.
"the man who murdered love" and "church of women" in particular make
my mouth water!
in the meantime, my flavor of the month is a band called - with
disarming simplicity - Self. 19 year old Matt Maharry dropped out of
Audio Engineering School at Middle Tennessee State University to play
all the instruments, mix and produce his first album, including
making up his own samples since he couldn't afford to buy rights to
the regular kind. since then he recruited some people including his
brother Mike M., to play backup.
why should you care? here are some bands he sounds like at different
times - if you like any one of them, you'll like Self:
The Mommyheads
Brendan Benson
Beck
Jellyfish (first album)
Ben Folds Five (ditto)*
Soul CoughingYY
Weezer
Spookey Ruben
(a little known band called ) You Were SpiralingY
the eels (_Beautiful Freak_)
this is not even a complete list. yet, unlike some bands i could
name (sorry Sugarplastic but it's true), he doesn't Xerox these bands
but run up to them and tap their shoulder, then turn around and book
the other way. and he's funny as hell, which is one of my favorite
things about any band. any guy who can write an Alanis parody that
actually works ("She's a Death Row contract/When you hate Dr. Dre" -
"Moronic") AND a song about _Titanic_ on the same album ("Hey Jack,
Hey Jack/I'm going to jump off the back/Of the Titanic/A big, big
boat") in a row is alright by me.
not only that, but the best of his music is not available by normal
means - always important for maintaining indie cred. however, thanks
to the wonder that is Napster, you can download MP3s of his best
songs and make your own cd's. the sparkling little gem that hooked
me? "Paint By Numbers", which i mistakenly downloaded as it was
labeled "Weezer - ex-girlfriend", which sounds nothing like Weezer
but which grew on me until i had to get more. it's also available on
one of his two commercial albums, _Breakfast With Girls_, or the
soundtrack to the straight-to-video teen flick _Dead Man on Campus_,
for all you squares who aren't with MP3s. listen to this song and
tell me i'm right. they're all good, although each one is different,
but "Paint By Numbers" is irresistable.
blatheringly -
brookes
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Notes:
* - dear god, let's not start that debate again. i will however
state for the record that i don't think anything they've come out
with has been half as good as the first (self-titled) album. the
sheer pop deliciousness of "Philosophy" and "Best Imitation of
Myself" induced many eargasms. anyone who doesn't remember this,
search the digests for BFF and you'll be galvanized into taking sides.
YY - that SUCKS about SC breaking up. they were running
neck-and-neck with Cake in my esteem, but this sad news on top of the
severe ass-kicking they received from Cake's last brilliant release
_Prolonging the Magic_ causes them to slip irretrievably behind.
Y - you may remember them from He Is Definitely A Giant John
Flansgland's Hello Records, or then again, you may not. prog-rock by
college kids [Bard College in particular, which somehow makes it
almost okay - i saw them live and they looked like they had about 20
years between the three of them] about getting enough credits and
cutting class. yet there was something greatly enjoyable about their
music - i can't quite put my finger on it. they were kind of
inherently wacky, yet they tried to take themselves seriously. and
their name was positively retarded. for some reason this gives them
credit in my book.
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my town is zoning this land
so we can build an ark and sail away from Tennessee
palm trees and sand
and Hawaiian instruments
say "aloha" as they're haunting me
- "meg ryan", also on _breakfast with girls_
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 11:08:28 -0800 (PST) From: Nick Howorth <nik_h_1999@yahoo.com> Subject: Weird chords inside the green-gold mine... Message-ID: <20000323190828.9037.qmail@web3206.mail.yahoo.com> On the subject of XTC sheet music, I seem to remember reading an interview with Andy saying that there is none - mainly because Andy uses a lot of alternative tunings - open E and G seem to be special favourites particularly on Mummer and Skylarking - so he's not actually sure what chords he's playing though he did add that he'd be willing to sit down with some muso type and work them out if anyone could be bothered to stump up the time, effort and cash (presumably there's been no flood of offers?) Any geetarists out there struggling with stuff like the Meeting Place, Sacrificial Bonfire, Love On a Farmboy's Wages etc. try tuning the open strings to an open E or G chord then play an open E chord or fret all the strings on the same fret (one finger across them all) or alternatively play single note melody lines on the G string whilst letting the other strings drone on open (unfretted) and hey presto! - instant Mummer and Skylarking sounds! (Try Beating of Hearts and Grass melody on G string in open E tuning) Open C and E chords also have that 'rusticky rural' tone to them. Hope this is of some use to guitar noodlers. By the way I also don't have a clue what these chords would be transposed to 'normal' tunings - probably extremely tricky 7 fingered augmented and suspended 'jazzy' things. ta ta for now - Nick.
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 17:07:28 -0600 From: Jill Oleson <Jill_Oleson@kurion.com> Subject: Check Soul Coughing site for verification of band breakup Message-ID: <81CC73FC2FACD311A2D200508B8B88AA0D6E93@KURION_EXCH> To verify the lamentable breakup of Soul Coughing, check: http://www.soulcoughing.com The announcement on their home page is dated March 20, 2000. Jill Oleson Austin, Texas
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 16:56:46 -0500 From: "Michael Neustadt" <michaeln@yayarecords.com> Subject: Re: Is there any good music out now? Message-ID: <000101bf9512$af7084c0$6ad89318@ne.mediaone.net> If you love "pure" pop, you must hear Ron Flynt and the Bluehearts new release "Big Blue Heart". Ron is the bass player and co-songwriter from the band 20/20. Come to http://yayarecords.com and see/hear for yourself or buy it from Bruce at www.notlame.com.
------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 10:05:24 +1100 (EST) From: Mud Shark <mudshark1944@yahoo.com.au> Subject: 2.2 cents worth including GST Message-ID: <20000323230524.21819.qmail@web1702.mail.yahoo.com> Throwing in my contribution to Molly's question, here's what's in my CD player (or at least, what's been in it over the past three days or so) : "Futurama" - Be Bop Deluxe "The Notorious Byrd Brothers" - The Byrds "So Much Water, So Close To Home" - Paul Kelly "Riding With The King" - John Hiatt "The Battle Of Los Angeles" - Rage Against The Machine "Apple Venus Vol.1" - XTC "Rock Bottom" - Robert Wyatt "Heyday" - The Church "Strictly Commercial" - Frank Zappa "Sketches Of Spain" - Miles Davis "Tallulah" - The Go-Betweens "Chairs Missing" - Wire "Pet Sounds" - Beach Boys "The Smoker You Drink, The Player You Get" - Joe Walsh "Monkey Island" - J.Geils Band "The Black Rider" - Tom Waits "Two Against Nature" - Steely Dan (another fine Chalkhills recommendation) "The Man Who" - Travis Whaddya mean, I've got too much time on my hands? MS (...and a happy birthday to my fellow April Fool, Francis Heaney). ===== "I rail against God because I was told to stop eating paste in Sunday school" - P.J.O'Rourke
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 18:09:52 EST From: WillJ4comm@aol.com Subject: Other good music out there Message-ID: <2f.2fcc252.260bfe40@aol.com> Digitalmaster asked, so I too must put in my two cents: Having known nothing from the Kinks except You Really Got Me, Lola, Come Dancing, and the other big singles, I heartily, heartily, OH SO HEARTILY have five Kinks albums to recommend, which I've dived into over the past three months with almost uninterrupted relish, every XTC fan will enjoy getting Kinktified, methinks: Will's Must Owns By The Kinks 1. Something Else 2. The Kinks Are The Village Green Preservation Society 3. Arthur or the Decline and Fall of the British Empire 4. Part 1 Lola Versus Powerman and the Moneygoround 5. Muswell Hillbillies I'd start with Something Else, and it escalates from there. I'd say I personally prefer Village Green Preservation Society (Not "Preservation Acts 1 or 2" which are also two Kinks albums that apparently aren't as good as these), Arthur and Lola versus Powerman. All three are absolutely essential in my opinion. It's been great -- as the Beatles and XTC are two of my very favorite bands, I thought I'd heard all the major artists at that caliber -- but I'm here to tell you, The Kinks got it goin' on, big time. Something Else and Muswell are also excellent, just not quite up to the level of Village Green, Arthur, and Lola in my opinion. I also own Face to Face, which is often mentioned as one of the "Mighty 6" albums from the Kinks (it preceeded Something Else"), but I gotta admit it doesn't do as much for me as these five do. Kevin Diamond, remember how we both discovered Blur about five or six months ago? Behold the mightiness of the Kinks, they're in the game, and in some ways helped invent it -- Ray Davies is one serious talent. And Dave Davies is an incredibly underrated guitar player -- reminds me of DG. And Mick Avory on drums, serious rhythm capabilities. If you're not yet familiar with the Kinks, those five albums, especially the middle three, will make the next two months of waiting pure bliss. And there may be more, but I haven't ventured into any others yet. If anyone has any other good kinks recommendations, let me know, as the reviews and such get a little spotty after Muswell, and their catalog is huge... Best, Will Good gravy, people have already got copies of Wasp Star? You lucky bastards, I'm so green with envy that one of my coworkers just passed by my desk and said, "Hi Kermit"...
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:28:41 -0800 (PST) From: Molly Fanton <mfanton99@yahoo.com> Subject: How do I get a copy Message-ID: <20000323232842.23725.qmail@web1301.mail.yahoo.com> Since our firend, Mitch got his copy of WS, how many other lucky people got an advanced copy, and are there any ways to get an advanced copy. Do you have to hob nob with the boys or something? I'm just curious, since I have more money that when when AV1 came out. Hey if there's a Japanese copy I'll order one. :P Molly Molly's Pages http://www.angelfire.com/mn/mollyfa99/index.html [ http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=287616956 ]
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:44:03 -0800 From: Richard Pedretti-Allen <richard@tactics.com> Subject: Mayan and yours Message-ID: <l03130302b5004d0ef6dd@[165.227.110.102]> What I intended to say was that "Wasp Star" is the Mayan term for the PLANET Venus (I don't know why I wrote "goddess" ...I had just FINISHED reading the text about Mayan stargazers). In any event, we can really put the "other interpretations" subject to rest because I didn't know what it meant and I asked Andy (as in Partridge). He was the one who told me the Mayan link and I surfed the web to find out more. Richard "There might be flying pigs" Pedretti-Allen
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 18:15:31 -0500 From: arthur james virgin <audio@one.net> Subject: must resist...must resist...DELURK! Message-ID: <B5000FC9.2323%audio@one.net> Greetings fellow chalkies... subscriber for *years* first post in *years*... getting dangerously close to AV2 (the one I wanted first!) and decided to delurk temporarily for a few things. GREAT ENVY: Mitch...you BASTARD!!! :-) i've ordered AV2 from Japan, it'll probably get here this fall. i can't resist the "What's in Your Player" thingy because i rely on lists like these to provide great tips for other musical ideas... IN MY PLAYER(S): Belle & Sebastian : Lazy Line Painter Jane Michael Penn : mp4 The Posies : Amazing Disgrace Elvis Costello : Imperial Bedroom Unbelievable Truth : Almost There Tim Finn : Say It Is So Trip Shakespeare: Are You Shakespearienced? Old97's : Fight Songs Radiohead : OK Computer Crowded House : AfterGlow XTC : Transistor Blast Disc One Quasi: Field Studies ****Back to Delurk Mode**** regards, AJ
------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 10:33:44 +0100 From: Johan Ekdahl <johan.ekdahl@programbyran.se> Subject: He Who Hesitates Message-ID: <E1FE4AE1AF2DD111885A00A02479F44214FF6C@sofia.programbyran.se> jeffrey.thomas.jt@bayer-ag.de wrote: >Hey, think of "Seagulls Screaming, Kiss Her Kiss Her"! It's the most >amazing song on that topic, ever. Might be. On the other hand, on another day... Jump jump go ahead and jump jump If it's what your heart is wanting to do /Johan
------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 10:23:39 -0500 From: Steve <grenier@cyberzone.net> Subject: music for XTC fans Message-ID: <38E9C9BA@MailAndNews.com> Wes asked: > What are all you freaks listenin' to? Well, besides AV1, here's what I've been listening to. These are all highly recommended, & should appeal to most fans of XTC, imo. Kevin Gilbert - Shaming of the True Owsley - s/t Prefab Sprout - Jordan: the Comeback Mike Viola & the Candybutchers - Falling into Place Brian Stevens - Prettier than you Apples in Stereo - Her Wallpaper Reverie Tal Bachman - s/t Cherry Twister - At Home with Cherry Twister Crack the Sky - Best of the Rest Josh Clayton-Felt - Inarticulate Nature Boy High Llamas - Hawaii Imperial Drag - s/t Jellyfish - New Mistake EP Material Issue - Freak City Soundtrack Eric Matthews - Lateness of the Hour Posies - Success Rubinoos - Paleophonic Sneetches - Blow Out the Sun Velvet Crush - Teenage Symphonies to God Wondermints - Bali Yazbek - Laughing Man & Tock Cleaners from Venus/Martin Newell - all of them! ...and here's some that are not necessarily XTC-like, but sound great: Flower Kings - Alive on Planet Earth Bjorn Lynne - Revive Djam Karet - Devouring Camel - On the Road 1972 Queensryche - Q2K Porcupine Tree - Stupid Dream regards, steve
------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 08:40:23 -0800 (PST) From: Jon Rosenberger <wile1coyote@yahoo.com> Subject: The True Meaning of "W.A.S.P. S.T.A.R." Message-ID: <20000324164023.28227.qmail@web107.yahoomail.com> Like the cover of Abbey Road and the Paul is Dead theory. I bring you .... The Unmasking of Wasp Star!!!!!! You are all wrong it has nothing to do with Insects or Caucasian Non-Catholics or Mayan god ascribed planets, it's a thinly veiled message from Andy to us here on Chalkhills. Using my Little Annie Oakley Decoder Ring I have cracked the code and reveal to you all here...... The True Meaning of Wasp Star is......(Drumroll Please)........ W ankers A nxiously S eeking P op S ounds T aking A R oundabout Cheers all and remember "Drink More Ovaltine!" The Mole (very amused with his own wit, even if noone else is) at the Ministry
------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:37:41 +0000 (GMT+00:00) From: dom@arrogant.co.uk Subject: ...with hilarious consequences! Message-ID: <1436310.953901461117.JavaMail.root@mh-a01.backend.another.com> >>When last we spoke, the high Spawnstress was totally >>set upon the complete destruction of the 'Hill! As I >>recollect, it had something to do with "Them Damn Monkey Folkel!" ...and how we laughed! Far be it from me to accuse anyone of being off-topic, but am I the only person who finds this twat painfully unfunny? The one off-list mail I received from him, apparently (and I'm only guessing here) chastising me for being rude to David Oh (guilty as charged, point taken etc), made even less sense than the drivel he posts to the list. Still, it probably helps him pass the time between wanks. Dom.
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 22:43:57 EST From: CapnEndo@aol.com Subject: Re: star rules Message-ID: <5b.38bdaa8.260c3e7d@aol.com> In a message dated 03/22/2000 11:41:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, <owner-chalkhills@chalkhills.org> writes: > they knew it sure as hell didn't behave like the other > stars. It looks like a star, but it doesn't act like one. It doesn't move > the same way, or follow the same rules. You might even say it buzzed around the night sky like a.....yes, like a wasp. Couldn't resist. -Tom
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 23:04:49 EST From: OMBEAN1@aol.com Subject: getting my fill Message-ID: <64.134e27e.260c4361@aol.com> Hola! Now that I ve got my grubby paws on "Playground" the final version, Ive been able to listen 10 times or so. WOWEE! Mitch was right. Isaw the VH1 show "The List" where the "celebrity" mentions Dear God as a rebel song. I believe his quote was--" The funny thing is ,the guy who wrote it is a religious guy" . Another big fan. Waiting for the rest of Wasp Star & Phils hat, Roger
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 22:14:12 -0500 From: Rob Hill <SquidRiver@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: What I call that noise Message-ID: <38DADD84.91735C7B@yahoo.com> >> What are all you freaks listenin' to? My, what a lovely bandwagon. Cardiacs - Sing to God Bartok - Concerto for Orchestra, Music for Strings, Percussion, & Celesta The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill Tom Waits - Swordfishtrombone XTC - Big Express Charles Mingus - New Tijuana Moods Billie Holiday - The Quintessential Volume 4 Frank Zappa - We're Only in It For the Money Debussy - La Mer Alice in Chains - Dirt Frank Sinatra - Sings the Select Johnny Mercer The Genius of Orson Welles (radio broadcasts) Rob
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 23:21:51 -0500 From: "Cheryl" <mcgregoc@mindspring.com> Subject: Mmm Mmm Good Message-ID: <001d01bf9548$7b6d2e40$960bf7a5@mcgregocmindspring.com> Hello Chalkhills, Long time no hear...from me. Hope everyone is well. I noticed the discussion on the availability of good music. A couple of bands I need to recommend are Travis, who haven't won two(?) Brit awards for nothing, and a local Boston band that I just adore, The Sheila Divine. If you can get a hold of their album, I highly recommend them. They have a great edge to their music and the lead singer can do some of the vocal acrobatics that remind me of early Partridge, circa Drums and Wires. I can't wait for the new XTC album to come out. I have been a very good girl and have been patiently waiting to hear any new material when the new album comes out. Apple Venus Vol. 1 was experienced by having heard all songs previous through rough demos and now I am trying the route of being patient. Had it been any longer waiting for the new album, I may have broken down and begged for the newer demos but I *think* I can make it. Take care chalkfolks, Cheryl
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 17:32:09 -0800 From: "Mike Martis" <mmartis@softcom.net> Subject: CSNY, POO, Nick Drake Message-ID: <00f701bf9530$c66d8ba0$0874fea9@mmartis> I want to add a very large exclamation point to Michael Versaci's post regarding his recent CSN&Y concert experience. I had seen CSN a few times over the past dozen years or so, and while they were always rather pleasant to see, my expectations for the CSNY tour stop here in Sacramento were not, um, grandiose. Well, shee-it! What an experience, indeed...I have a newfound (additional) appreciation for Neil Young, because he just *drove* the other three to jaw-dropping, goose bump levels. It was one of those handful of shows that you realize, in the midst of, you'll be remembering for life. Moving on to XTC content: Regarding the Wasp Star song lineup, I was hoping that Prince of Orange would magically pop up on this record. Damn! Guess I'll keep waiting... Also, for those who like the snippet of Nick Drake's "Pink Moon" on the Volkswagen spot, his four-CD anthology box set has proven to be one of my favorite purchases of the past year, full of sparse, moody and enchanting acoustic folk/pop. -Mike
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